How I Became Enlightened Fast And How You Can Do It To

[Prabhaker]

2 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

A person who wants to do some social service will need money.

I wonder why Buddha never thought about doing social service using money ? There are thousands of people , Christian missionaries already doing social service using money. A person who has vision will help in raising human consciousness.

[Prabhaker]

11 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

But you need to remember that not only James Randi, there were many other scientists who did research on this subject and none has been proved so far. Much of the research that has been done only indicates that the existence of paranormal is very unlikely.

I am also surprised , how they missed a real psychic after doing lot of research. They might be doing research in a wrong way.  

[Shanmugam]

@Prabhaker  Again, you are looking at only one possibility.. It is like saying there can be no one in this world ever, who has psychic powers and who also needs money to do some extensive social work... Buddha is one human being among trillions and trillions human beings who have ever lived in the planet... 

Right now the population of world is 7 billion. Just look at the probability of a person who has psychic powers and who also needs money for something (again think about for how many things money is needed)...

[Shanmugam]

1 minute ago, Prabhaker said:

I am also surprised , how they missed a real psychic after doing lot of research. They might be doing research in a wrong way.  

Research in wrong way? Read about Jame Randi's research and the research done by other scientists... 

I am suggesting a practical approach to know if something exists or not... The key is not to believe in something or to reject something totally but stay in the middle. 

[AleksM]

@Shanmugam If your interested in discovering more about actually real people who have been reported to have psychic abilities, find the book "China superphysics" it's realy expensive though. I think 130$.

[Shanmugam]

@AleksM thanks, there are lots of reports already available.. What is not available is a solid evidence. 

[Prabhaker]

1 minute ago, Shanmugam said:

a person who has psychic powers and who also needs money for something

A person who has psychic powers will attract many rich people too, they will give him as much money as he wants, why he will bother about these scientists ? There are many god-man in India who attract lot of money even without showing any psychic powers in public, they have plenty of money to do social service, they are far more richer than James Randi. Who will go to people like James Randi for money and invite unnecessary trouble. 

[Shanmugam]

@Prabhaker  Ok.. let me ask you a question.

Do you believe psychic powers exist or do you know psychic powers exist? (I think you know the difference, since you have read Osho)

If you know Psychic powers exist, how do you know?

[Prabhaker]

Just now, Shanmugam said:

If you know Psychic powers exist, how do you know?

I met some persons with psychic abilities. I was on a spiritual journey, I started experiencing many things myself. But I was young and financially dependent on my parents, they were psychopaths , they managed to bring me back to so called normal life.

[Shanmugam]

@AleksM  Regarding the remote viewing in army, I guess you are referring to Star Gate project:

"The Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague, included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there was reason to suspect that its project managers had changed the reports so they would fit background cues" - wiki

We don't have any evidence for non-local consciousness either.It may be true or may not be true. But at this point, there is no certainty.

I myself have lost the separate sense of self long ago, I can easily dissolve my thoughts. There is a feeling of oneness all the time but that doesn't tell me anything about whether consciousness is non local or not. But at this stage, one can easily conclude that consciousness is non-local because of how expansive it feels. It feels limitless and boundless.

 

[Shanmugam]

@Prabhaker  You have seen psychic people, but you couldn't have possibly did an experiment with them under controlled conditions...

I have experienced things myself too. And I did think it was psychic. But I later found out they were not. After thinking them through carefully, I could see they were not true, except a couple of things, which seemed to be just coincidences. There are many alternate explanations for everything we think as psychic. As I explained earlier, sometimes one cannot trust his own experience.

When I did some serious study on the subject, I was amazed to see how much a person can be fooled by himself as well as by others, even though there might not be any intention of fooling.

Anyway, all I am suggesting is, never be too quick in coming into a conclusion. Don't conclude they exist; Don't conclude they don't exist either.

But if you still think you have some strong convincing experience that led you to actually conclude with 100% certainty  (instead of thinking as a possibility) that psychic powers do exist, then I am very interested to hear that experience from you.

 

[Leo Gura]

Interesting post.

Not sure about all the other stuff, but definitely going 24/7 mindfulness beast mode will get you there much quicker. That is the main advantage of monks and doing meditation retreats.

1 hour of daily meditation is not sufficient to really become conscious. That's more like a newbie or maintenance dose.

The issue is not that people don't know how to get to enlightenment fast, it's that they don't really want to. They are busy with life and don't want to drop everything.

Congrats on awakening.

[Shanmugam]

@Joseph Maynor  Hey, I just asked you a question. To be honest, I am not good in English because it is not my first language. I didn't really understand this : 'I think you make great points.  It's like -- don't get so wise that your brain liquefies and leaks out of your skull.  You heard that?'

That is why I asked you to elaborate.

[Shanmugam]

@Joseph Maynor In fact, I couldn't understand whether you agree or disagree. . It has not absolutely nothing to do with you, but my poor English comprehension, especially some colloquial or slang phrases.

[Prabhaker]

3 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

You have seen psychic people, but you couldn't have possibly did an experiment with them under controlled conditions...

If you are interested I will give you details of my experiences with such persons. I know psychic powers exist, from my own experience. 

[Shanmugam]

Just now, Prabhaker said:

If you are interested I will give you details of my experiences with such persons. I know psychic powers exist, from my own experience. 

oh Yes, definitely interested . Please go ahead

[Prabhaker]

Just now, Shanmugam said:

oh Yes, definitely interested . Please go ahead

I will write about it today, I want to relax now. You know I don't like much typing as I usually copy and paste. Let me refresh myself first.

[Shanmugam]

@Prabhaker sure, take your time..

[electroBeam]

@AleksM Now you know how spiritual schools are invented, by a desire to show everyone how they got enlightened, and making the completely arbitrary assumption that everyone is like you, and will get enlightened by this technique just like you.

[Zephyr]

Well, this is one hell of a way to become awakened ?