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[Talinn]

I'm not one to sit on a toxic rotary table forever , but claiming Emerald was upset that she couldn't be "king of the thread' is extra odd phrasing for a person who took explicit pride in being a woman ...

[enchanted]

38 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I am sad to read these words. You don't ask what I meant, but assumed you knew.

You also didn't ask what I meant and you assumed that I assumed something. And you also assumed that my words are something to get sad over and then you got sad by them.

But please clarify by what you meant if you feel like my response implies a misunderstanding. 

Edited 2 hours ago by enchanted

[Ulax]

It is always interesting to view these discussions from a tier 2 development standpoint

[Thought Art]

@Natasha Tori Maru Okay, good. I just felt ignored and then she made the claim about men here… and she’s even leaving from the men here. 
 

I am not convinced she even demonized Leo here…

There was nuance in that thread. 
 

It takes time for people to digest ideas too. We can’t look for instant agreement here. 

@Talinn Fair, ill change it to queen. 
 

Emerald does deserve respect, I agree. 
 

We all do. 
 

But, a label is one thing. I don’t really care, what matters here to me is not bowing. There was plenty of nuance in that thread. Of course, lots of shit too.  This is the internet. I DO wish there was more female voices here. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thought Art

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, enchanted said:

You also didn't ask what I meant and you assumed that I assumed something. And you also assumed that my words are sad and then you got sad by them. Not my fault. 

You had to, though. 

I am trying to illustrate how miscommunication is happening. I just expressed a feeling, you don't need to defend. I never claimed it was your fault or you were responsible.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Natasha Tori Maru Okay, good. I just felt ignored and then she made the claim about men here… and she’s even leaving from the men here. 
 

I am not convinced she even demonized Leo here…

@Talinn Fair, ill change it to queen. 

I read your replies. Enjoyed them! I think you had a nuanced point that overlapped with Emeralds cohesively. There was a lot going on in that thread, and I suspect it was just a capacity/distraction issue that your arguements weren't addressed.

I didn't see you engage with any dishonest argument tactics. This was the crux of Emeralds issue. Not losing or winning. The manner and conduct of engagement was the friction element.

I have always read you as having an honest character in that way.

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Thought Art]

@Natasha Tori Maru Well thank you! 
 

I don’t have perfect conduct here on the forum but I generally try to be good faith. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

@Natasha Tori Maru Well thank you! 
 

I don’t have perfect conduct here on the forum but I generally try to be good faith. 

It is noticed for sure 

Same for me (regarding conduct). We all misbehave. Human nature. Grace is in how we reconcile. 

And I can see how this whole thread appears to run counter to reconsiliation. I think it is simply Emerald asserting a boundary for what she will/won't tolerate. Leaving the forum is the boundary.

[Thought Art]

@Natasha Tori Maru Fair, fair. And I respect that boundary. Please give me some grace as I pushed back on some rhetoric of the thread of others, and her response though I have gained more clarity and continue to reflect and deepen my understanding.
 

She is right there is a lot of challenging people here sometimes. They also tend to be loud and opinionated. I am that way at times and in the past. 
 

The worst is when people make bad faith arguments, get triggered, attack, smear, distract, avoid, have big ego, etc. 
 

But, people really are only as mature, educated and conscious as they are. I know a lot of people here simply can’t do better than they do. They are more undeveloped than they think which is largely due to their low development… catch 22. 

Most people in general, and here are not mature, wise, loving, awake, developed, mystics, Actualized, Good, etc. People may have these qualities and that is amazing. People are indeed growing, maturing, developing actualizing, reflecting, becoming more loving.

But, also some people are going backwards. We had a lot of mods get demodded recently and I think it’s because over time their lack of maturity, stability integrity became clear. 

It’s normal to go backwards, forwards, to go down rabbit holes of self deception, to be a jerk sometimes, etc.

She’s right this forum struggles at times.

But, it is a personal development forum. Not just for those who are developed and so here we are.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thought Art