Manifestation is Bullshit

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, PenguinPablo said:

mechanics of manifestation

The irony.

Manifestation does not require a mechanism. It's direct, out of nothing.

If something requires a mechanism, then it is not manifestation, it's just causality.

New agers surely have loose definitions of everything.

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Jirh said:

The irony.

Manifestation does not require a mechanism. It's direct, out of nothing.

If something requires a mechanism, then it is not manifestation, it's just causality.

New agers surely have loose definitions of everything.

The intentions that are "doing" the manifestation could be influenced by other things (mind states, etc.) perhaps in positive or negative ways, so that would be one mechanism. And the way the intention actually does the manifestation could also have a mechanism (i.e. it has a causal structure you can analyze), but we maybe just don't know about it yet (hence you would call it "magical"). And of course, like I've put earlier, mind states associated with manifestation beliefs can influence actions that create the desired outcomes (that would be another mechanism).

You can also create a causal model based on interpersonal psychic assumptions. If intentions formed in one mind can affect another mind psychically (or the intentions exist in the larger "mind space" that people's individual minds are somewhat tapped into), it could influence the actions of other people in a given direction. Hence the "universe" (other people) selects for actions in that direction, in a "magical" way. Besides, interacting with other people with an intention in mind could create microscopic non-verbal cues that influence people in a certain way (which would again be a case of mind influencing actions).

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The intentions that are "doing" the manifestation could be influenced by other things (mind states, etc.) perhaps in positive or negative ways, so that would be one mechanism. And the way the intention actually does the manifestation could also have a mechanism (i.e. it has a causal structure you can analyze), but we maybe just don't know about it yet (hence you would call it "magical"). And of course, like I've put earlier, mind states associated with manifestation beliefs can influence actions that create the desired outcomes (that would be another mechanism).

You can also create a causal model based on interpersonal psychic assumptions. If intentions formed in one mind can "travel" to another mind (or they exist in the larger "mind space" that people's individual minds are somewhat tapped into), it could influence the actions of other people in a given direction. Hence the "universe" (other people) selects for actions in that direction, in a "magical" way.

I really enjoyed this passage 🫶

[Breakingthewall]

The only form of manifestation that actually works is an obsessive, sustained focus, one that methodically breaks down every aspect of the desired goal, constantly refining the details, looking past the obvious, and burrowing into the deepest layers of the matter like a termite digging ceaselessly.

It operates like an unstoppable, inevitable mechanism that cannot halt until every facet of the objective has been clarified, every test conducted, and every lesson from trial and error noted. That is simply how life works.

 if you think you can manifest wealth, or anything else, by merely thinking spiritually about it, you are so mentally retarded and naive that I would give you a hug and pat you on the back many times, the way people do at funerals. Because your life will be a funeral. 

[Jirh]

You need to prove the phenomenon before providing explanations for its possible mechanisms.

It's useless to speculate about the mechanisms of a delusion.