Am I Finally Ready To Let Go of Dating?

[Miguel1]

5 minutes ago, AION said:

Interesting approach. I'm curious how it will pan out for you. You had probably so much sex that it feels mundane. But probably it is not the spirituality that is the problem. You just fucked yourself up. Probably the first thing that comes up when you see a pussy is I don't want to use this girl which is an interesting way of seeing things.

I just answered the exact ”not wanting to use the girl” to Joshe lol.

But yes, at this point I’ve probably had sex 2000 times at least. My standard for good sex is so high that any random fuck with a club girl will be so dissatisfying. And the games and shit and compromises for my highest values.. why would it be worth it?

Masturbating is so much better.

[Miguel1]

9 minutes ago, AION said:

He wants that Matrix shit. The love of Neo and Trinity that broke the Matrix. 

This would be so fulfilling 

[Lyubov]

16 minutes ago, Joshe said:

For me, sex is for fun, not sentimentality. 

yeah same, sex is all about the beautify and fun and excitement for me personally, closeness is obviously a part of it. It is kinda like coffee. You mix a bit of the strong beans (love) in with the smooth beans for taste (beauty and excitement). My wife is beautiful, I wanna enjoy her beautiful body lol. We rarely have some deep loving sex and I am not saying it's not a great way to bond, i just enjoy the more passionate side of it. The love side I much prefer words of encouragement and thoughtful actions. The 5 love languages is an easy book to get an idea of what you want from a relationship. I hit peak love experiences on my own through self inquiry and meditating. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Lyubov

[Schizophonia]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Bro, that's why yogis live in caves.

Asceticism is a nihilism; in the Nietzschean sense.

If we are truly non-dualistic, then we must also transcend the limited/infinite duality, “maya/god”.

We incarnate, and the game would be to leave? That's illogical.

Edited 2 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Miguel1]

14 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

My wife is beautiful, I wanna enjoy her beautiful body lol.

The very fact that she is your wife and most likely your best friend for possibly decades (?) makes it very intimate.

We are talking about having sex with bunch of randos here.

Edited 2 hours ago by Miguel1

[AION]

13 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

I just answered the exact ”not wanting to use the girl” to Joshe lol.

But yes, at this point I’ve probably had sex 2000 times at least. My standard for good sex is so high that any random fuck with a club girl will be so dissatisfying. And the games and shit and compromises for my highest values.. why would it be worth it?

Masturbating is so much better.

So what was your trick to get so many girls? Any programs you followed. I'm still in business.

[Miguel1]

3 minutes ago, AION said:

So what was your trick to get so many girls? Any programs you followed. I'm still in business.

I have not had sex with 2000 different girls lol. I’ve had multiple long-term relationships where we had a lot of sex.

With each relationship, the quality got better.

Edited 2 hours ago by Miguel1

[Schizophonia]

14 hours ago, LordFall said:

It seems like you guys are stuck in normative dating. Have you guys tried BDSM

 😹

 

[Yimpa]

14 hours ago, LordFall said:

Have you guys tried BDSM?

Yes. I enjoy suffocating and torturing myself, consensually, and having AI tell me how naughty I am.

[AION]

31 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

I have not had sex with 2000 different girls lol. I’ve had multiple long-term relationships where we had a lot of sex.

With each relationship, the quality got better.

Ok I believe you but that is not what I asked 

[Miguel1]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My advice in this thread is not aimed at inexperienced guys but Miguel, who is over-experienced and looking for a higher stage.

Bro, are you trying to make me fall in love with you or something?

5 years in this forum and you haven’t said my name out loud once. Now you have said it 5 times in a single day

[Miguel1]

38 minutes ago, AION said:

Ok I believe you but that is not what I asked 

Honestly I was in denial of this for a very long time, as I have deep bias for self-development and humanity coming together to work in harmony

(the drive for harmony is one of the biggest traits of my personality type ENFJ - I have also seriously contemplated that one of the biggest reasons I got into spirituality was because I wanted to find answers for suffering, so that we can all live in peace with each other)

but, the truth is that my natural personality type of being extremely naturally charismatic and a leader (go read about it for a moment. We are probably the most socially liked personality) + my looks did most of my work. Oh and having a beautiful, natural tan here in Finland where everyone is snowflakes, makes you a God tier instantly.

I get energized around people. I often find myself naturally in the center of a crowd. Having attractive girls around just 10Xs this energy.

And did I already say? I am a natural leader. I’ve played football (soccer) ever since I was a kid and my coach always made me the captain.

Especially when I was 18-25. These years were free pussy for my strenghts.

Girls this age gives pretty much zero fuck about character in the man.

And oh yeah, my relatively high level of selfishness, manupulativeness and zen devilry. When you are in deep in the journey of ”killing your ego”, in however unhealthy ways, and developing a strong spiritual ego - approaching girls is like cocaine to you.

Gosh, I thought WhatsApp destroys quality but actualized.org forum turned my glowing and exuberant brown skin into a vegetating zombie.

Edited 1 hour ago by Miguel1

[Terell Kirby]

18 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

At this point I really am not interested in any normal relationship where I have to play its games and follow its rules.

 

I’m not sure it’s possible escape this reality, dating and relationships are forms of survival that can be made more or less conscious-

18 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

It is simply so hard to at this point compromise my commitment to truth, honesty and authenticty -

Hmm i don’t think you necessarily have to though. Valuing Truth in of itself is rare, next to impossible to find a partner who does to same level. With that being said, dating/relationships are opportunities to practice letting others be themselves without judgement or expectation.

I typically find myself in trouble when I place too high expectations, you end up disappointed and jaded at the end

[Miguel1]

You guys underestimate how much spiritual and especially psychological growth I’ve had in the past 5 years since starting to do Leo’s work seriously.

You do not understand the pain I went through of realizing hundreds of ways I have hurt others. I was a true devil. The hundreds of ways I have lied to myself and others. 

But Leo seems to see this growth in me. Natasha too. And a few other members.

But Leo sees the most I believe, as I used to share about my journey and all the lessons more in my first years here. Back then Natasha wasn’t active yet, at least commenting.

Edited 1 hour ago by Miguel1

[Miguel1]

6 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Hmm i don’t think you necessarily have to though. Valuing Truth in of itself is rare, next to impossible to find a partner who does to same level. With that being said, dating/relationships are opportunities to practice letting others be themselves without judgement or expectation.

I typically find myself in trouble when I place too high expectations, you end up disappointed and jaded at the end

Thank you for your contribution.

You are right, after tens of thousands of approaches, I know that it is possible to have a relationship with someone where you don’t compromise on truth and honesty.

With a conscious person.

Edited 1 hour ago by Miguel1

[Miguel1]

2 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

Also, most of the 30k approaches were done in my youth where I didn’t have an eye to see a conscious person. Probably bumped into some but they saw my silly pickup games.

Let me fix this. Upon deeper reflection, I’ve def met some more conscious girls but either they were in relationships, I was in a relationship, or they were more conscious but not that conscious etc.

I’ve met some for sure.

A lot of spiritual people are spiritually developed but then their human life and psyche is complete self-deceived.

[LordFall]

3 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

@LordFall It is not that complicated as you make it seem.

It is extremely hard to find a conscious partner at a young age, no matter how much you have mastered stage orange.

I have approached 30-50k woman. I have some experience in the field.

Talking with you is exhausting because you look at everything through the lense of orange and business.

 

2 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

Everything he thinks about is through the lense of money and material success. Even his body language in his videos screams that.

Frankly, I’m kinda tired discussing with him, as he mostly says the same, predictable stuff.

I think you have a big mental block around this and clearly life needs to prove it to you deeper before you get it.

The one that's predictable is you my friend, I told you this exact situation would happen 2 months ago. 

Your answer to me calling you out was to flex your bodycount and project me lying to get laid since that was an old habit of yours. It's fine to have an ego but I hope that I've proved to you that your personality is quite easy to read and your bottlenecks are obvious. 

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

@LordFall what makes you think your own financial achievement has much bearing on the quality of relationship you’re able to find?  In fact, the higher you climb, the less likely you will find a good down to earth girl. Good girls are sparse in high status echelons. Sure, you’ll attract more, but of a certain kind. For example, the waters you’re currently swimming in is littered with shallow women obsessed with their appearance. Honestly, I’d rather date a down to earth Christian girl, and I don’t like Christians. I suppose I dislike overt, idolized egotism far more. Good girls exist at every class level, but the higher you go, the fewer, because money, power, and status corrupt.

Also, good relationships mostly require good compatibility more so than self-development.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions that are not based in reality. The more financial abundance you have, the more optionality you have. You don't only have to date career women or influencers, you can date any type of woman that you choose. More importantly, you have more leverage over your lifestyle. If you have enough savings you could take 3 years to travel the world and mostly focus on your dating life and only maintain your cash flowing assets. If you had even more money stacked up you could never work another day in your life and spend the whole rest of your life finding the highest-quality, most conscious women on earth. Attributing negative traits to people that have more abundance than you is a classic sign of scarcity mindset.

I was a dating photographer for years. I've worked with students that used their last money before their next paycheck to buy my shoots, with well off entrepreneurs that just wanted abundance and even with religious dudes that have no interest in sleeping around and just want to find a high quality wife. Dating strategy for males is pretty straight forward and ignoring the basis of reality will only leave someone frustrated and unfulfilled. I've tried to point out Miguel's blindspots but he insists that he has it all figured out and other people are the problem.

The post I quoted was 2 months ago, someone that is stubbornly trying to push through the same wall with the same strategy is bound to spin their wheels for years. Life is mostly patterns, if you refuse to spot the ones that hold you down then you're bound to repeat the same mistakes.

We'll see how his journey develops. All the best man. 

[Joseph Maynor]

It is good to be comfortable not being in a relationship in a long while.  Maybe this could be helpful to you.  It was for me.  We yearn for this sometimes on the path even though breakups are incredibly painful.  

[iamlite]

Haha it is so funny to hear from some guys here how their problem is too much girlfriends and women LOOL😅

We virgins be like lol I wish I had your problems

But kudos to you guys I think you have genuine needs 

[Miguel1]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It is good to be comfortable not being in a relationship in a long while.  Maybe this could be helpful to you.  It was for me.  We yearn for this sometimes on the path even though breakups are incredibly painful.  

I am still quite young. I could date now while romance and intimacy mattera to me.

At older age I doubt I’m very interested in it.