Almost 9/11 style terror attack

[AION]

32 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Israel has nuclear weapons

They cannot be destroyed

All they can do is reform

Others have nukes too. Turkey, Pakistan and Arabs formed the Mekka agreement. Just having nukes won't deter anybody. Israel will have to accept they are just 8 million people and just ordinary people. If they keep insisting they are the chosen people and others should bend over to them they will be whiped out because nobody in the ME is going to accept that dynamic.

[Heaven]

2 hours ago, AION said:

Others have nukes too. Turkey, Pakistan and Arabs formed the Mekka agreement. Just having nukes won't deter anybody. Israel will have to accept they are just 8 million people and just ordinary people. If they keep insisting they are the chosen people and others should bend over to them they will be whiped out because nobody in the ME is going to accept that dynamic.

Reality is saying the opposite. Your hate made you delusional to the truth. 
Israel’s economy is booming and so is their currency. Countries are still buying weapons from them and Tech.

[Basman]

19 hours ago, oOo said:

@Basman, “they just lost and got genocided” 

Most of human history btw. Genocide is the norm, not the exception when you lose an existential war. 

The notion of Native Americans as halpless victims is a political narrative central to Native American activism. And activism because war is untenable for them. Its their only viable option. They fought till they physically no longer could (plus many Americans feel bad for them). They aren't a death cult like many Palestinians are.

It's not incorrect that they are victims, but moreso in the sense of being victims of losing a war. Settlers didn't have the option of leaving and Native Americans weren't going to give up their territory. It was a conflict that could only be solved through war and genocide and the Natives simply lost. Its ugly, but that's human history in just about every country in the world. 

[Raze]

29 minutes ago, Basman said:

Most of human history btw. Genocide is the norm, not the exception when you lose an existential war. 

The notion of Native Americans as halpless victims is a political narrative central to Native American activism. And activism because war is untenable for them. Its their only viable option. They fought till they physically no longer could (plus many Americans feel bad for them). They aren't a death cult like many Palestinians are.

It's not incorrect that they are victims, but moreso in the sense of being victims of losing a war. Settlers didn't have the option of leaving and Native Americans weren't going to give up their territory. It was a conflict that could only be solved through war and genocide and the Natives simply lost. Its ugly, but that's human history in just about every country in the world. 

What you’re saying is ahistorical nonsense. There is zero evidence native Americans would have genocided the colonists, when they fist arrived multiple tribes tried to ally with them, they also had no capability to do that. 
There’s also zero reason the colonists had to commit genocide, they did it for land and wealth. The British actually originally tried to halt further expansion stating they considered it native land and colonists disagreed.
Native Americans aren’t a death cult for resisting the people killing them, a death cult would be accepting their deaths.

They are victims because the war was aggression launched against them, that would also be the case if they won.

By your logic if a burglar takes  your home and kills you when you try to stop him we should be waxing poetic about how you were a death cult and would have done the same in his shoes and that’s just history.

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[oOo]

15 hours ago, Jirh said:

See? This is the attitude I'm talking about. You're not appreciating Arab life.

Following our earlier exchange, I wanted to clarify something that I didn't make clear before, Palestinian lives matter every bit as much as anyone else’s. Questioning a casualty claim was never intended to minimise the suffering behind it.

I’m still learning about Arab cultures and Palestinian experiences. I find Arabic beautiful, though understanding what people have endured requires considerably more than appreciating their language, and communicating on conflicts of war in and of itself is a completely separate issue.

Someone I’ve recently been listening to is Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of Hamas cofounder Sheikh Hassan Yousef. He also worked as an informant for Israel’s Shin Bet intelligence service; both parts of his background are relevant.

I find his account compelling and want to understand it better, his proximity to Hamas gives me reason to listen, while like many other things I am still investigating his broader conclusions still need examining. Criticism of Hamas and judgments about Palestinians generally are extremely different matters like the appreciation of cultures both unique and overlapping with one another, the latter being the case with Israel and Palestine.

Here is his contribution to the Oxford Union debate held on 28 November 2024 that I think genuinely contributes to the discussion so far.

Which specific claims do you think hold up, and which would you challenge? I’d welcome supporting sources and other Palestinian voices worth hearing. I’m sharing someone I’m learning about, with room to revise my assessment. Feel free to speak on any angle, I understand this is an emotional subject for you so only do what genuinely brings you peace and growth at the same time.

 

[Raze]

1 hour ago, oOo said:

 

Someone I’ve recently been listening to is Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of Hamas cofounder Sheikh Hassan Yousef. He also worked as an informant for Israel’s Shin Bet intelligence service; both parts of his background are relevant.

I find his account compelling and want to understand it better, his proximity to Hamas gives me reason to listen, while like many other things I am still investigating his broader conclusions still need examining. Criticism of Hamas and judgments about Palestinians generally are extremely different matters like the appreciation of cultures both unique and overlapping with one another, the latter being the case with Israel and Palestine.

 

That guy is a mentally ill propagandist who has threatened multiple people and had to be kicked out of the Oxford Union, and has openly called for genocide. He is not a reliable source.

 

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[oOo]

@Raze his Ynet interview (https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/byz8hexa6eex) calls for civilian evacuation before destruction, and this followed months after the February 8th 2025 tweet you shared. That matters when interpreting his intent. Yousef finished his Oxford speech I shared directly above (for the general reader); Haddad was removed. I’m evaluating his claims individually.

Again, Mosab finished his Oxford speech despite many difficulties with some members of the audience,

he most certainly was not removed, Haddad was removed.

Which passage establishes your interpretation after accounting for his evacuation proposal?

Also, its important to understand the historical context of Hasan's influence, especially in relation to his father as it connects directly with his passionate nature on the issues which obviously, can be both for the better but sometimes, and this is very pertinent based on how he is characterised by those against him, for the worst:

 

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[Karmadhi]

10 hours ago, oOo said:

Someone I’ve recently been listening to is Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of Hamas cofounder Sheikh Hassan Yousef. He also worked as an informant for Israel’s Shin Bet intelligence service; both parts of his background are relevant.

I find his account compelling and want to understand it better, his proximity to Hamas gives me reason to listen, while like many other things I am still investigating his broader conclusions still need examining. Criticism of Hamas and judgments about Palestinians generally are extremely different matters like the appreciation of cultures both unique and overlapping with one another, the latter being the case with Israel and Palestine.

He does give some good insights into Hamas itself and how they work

However, he is also full of hate towards Palestinians in Gaza and overall is very biased

Basically from what I understood he was disowned by his family for helping Israel stop terrorist attacks and since then has became basically very racist towards Palestinians

The "African child rejected by the tribe who burned the tribe" is a good metaphore for him

He wants to burn the tribe after being rejected by it

[Heaven]

@Karmadhi

To say that he is racist is extremely funny as he is an Arab🤣
You are biased, I am biased, we are all biased.

Yousef Hassan is a good source of information as he lived among them. Of course he is too radical but I believe it is a performance to emphasize his points.

[Basman]

19 hours ago, Raze said:

What you’re saying is ahistorical nonsense. There is zero evidence native Americans would have genocided the colonists, when they fist arrived multiple tribes tried to ally with them, they also had no capability to do that. 
There’s also zero reason the colonists had to commit genocide, they did it for land and wealth. The British actually originally tried to halt further expansion stating they considered it native land and colonists disagreed.
Native Americans aren’t a death cult for resisting the people killing them, a death cult would be accepting their deaths.

When an expansionist people starts taking your land its a matter of war and power. You either drive out the invaders completely or negotiate new borders, and failing that you get squashed. The Natives didn't have the power to do either and therefor got squashed. Its not a matter of morals but survival. Settlers weren't going to stop for anything but raw power. They needed and wanted that land. They where people who needed green pastures to survive. That's the general history of many countries. Even Greenland, one of the most remote countries in the world, has a history of deposing a prior people.

And the Natives weren't a united people any more than Europe was at the time. Many allied with settlers to defeat a rival tribal. The same happend when the Spanish started warring with the Aztecs. Imagine if aliens came to destroy Russia. Ukraine and many other East-European nations would ally with them in a heart beat. The Natives would have to conquer and unite themselves first if they where to have any hope of resisting encroachment. 

I didn't call Native Americans a death cult. It's exactly because they are not that they stopped fighting. If they really wanted to they could become terrorists. 

[Raze]

8 minutes ago, Basman said:

When an expansionist people starts taking your land its a matter of war and power. You either drive out the invaders completely or negotiate new borders, and failing that you get squashed. The Natives didn't have the power to do either and therefor got squashed. Its not a matter of morals but survival. Settlers weren't going to stop for anything but raw power. They needed and wanted that land. They where people who needed green pastures to survive. That's the general history of many countries. Even Greenland, one of the most remote countries in the world, has a history of deposing a prior people.

And the Natives weren't a united people any more than Europe was at the time. Many allied with settlers to defeat a rival tribal. The same happend when the Spanish started warring with the Aztecs. Imagine if aliens came to destroy Russia. Ukraine and many other East-European nations would ally with them in a heart beat. The Natives would have to conquer and unite themselves first if they where to have any hope of resisting encroachment. 

I didn't call Native Americans a death cult. It's exactly because they are not that they stopped fighting. If they really wanted to they could become terrorists. 

They stopped fighting because they stopped being attacked, currently natives have equal citizenship in the US. 

[Raze]

16 hours ago, oOo said:

@Raze his Ynet interview (https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/byz8hexa6eex) calls for civilian evacuation before destruction, and this followed months after the February 8th 2025 tweet you shared. That matters when interpreting his intent. Yousef finished his Oxford speech I shared directly above (for the general reader); Haddad was removed. I’m evaluating his claims individually.

Again, Mosab finished his Oxford speech despite many difficulties with some members of the audience,

he most certainly was not removed, Haddad was removed.

Which passage establishes your interpretation after accounting for his evacuation proposal?

 

So why was he calling for genocide on video? Probably he talks honestly to Israeli audiences and in interviews he knows will be translated to English he speaks differently.

This is what he did at Oxford

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Yousef accused the majority of the audience of being "terrorists," provoking outrage, and further declared that Palestinians do not exist, claiming the Oxford Union had been “hijacked by Muslims.”

That sounds like openly insulting the audience because he was upset they were clearly losing the debate.

I don’t really see why someone who seems to have mental illness (he’s posted threats to multiple people) and is regularly caught making up lies, while also on video claiming 1 million children must be eradicated should be taken seriously. 

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[Ulax]

Israel are simply too blinded by their rage atm

[Basman]

38 minutes ago, Raze said:

They stopped fighting because they stopped being attacked, currently natives have equal citizenship in the US. 

No, they got crushed. They got quarrelled in reserves in forbidden from leaving for a long time. They are lucky that they didn't get eradicated entirely like countless other peoples have who lost an existential war. Its only because America is a liberal society that Natives could advocate for any rights at all. It took many years of avtivism and protest at that. Violence hasn't been an option since they lost the Frontier war utterly.

Your morals are making you blind to the reality of the situation. 

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[iceprincess]

@Leo Gura  pleaseeeeeee post a comprehensive video on israel.

[Karmadhi]

9 hours ago, Heaven said:

Yousef Hassan is a good source of information as he lived among them

https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/f/the-general-s-son/9200000002270226/

He is the son of an IDF general and calls IDF biggest terrorist organization in the world

So yeah

Two can play at that game