Almost 9/11 style terror attack

[Rafael Thundercat]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Israel chose the terrorism path a long time ago.

Some Israelis did the deconstruction work. An example that is possible to get out of a system to see the system for what it is or something like depropagandize oneself

 

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[Raze]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Look, I know all these leftist views. I am sympathetic to them. But that's not how society or politics works.

You can call the US a terrorist state and you can call Bush a war criminal, but you are talking to yourself in a leftist bubble. These are not serious positions that will be taken seriously on the world stage.

America is not hijacking planes and cutting people's heads off with knives.

America is one of the most developed places in the world. Calling it terrorism is silly.

Yes, America is a huge nation that causes lots of harm to others. But it is not terrorism.

That’s exactly the problem. That’s why terrorism isn’t considered an actual definition in international law. It ends up just meaning what those in power say it is. 

A suicide bomber blowing up a cafe for the stated aim of causing terror for political aim is called terrorism and used to justify force.

The US or Israel drone striking an apartment or blockading a city for the stated aim of “pressure” is called justified.

In both cases it’s aggression to cause terror mostly on civilians to force goals. But because one side has more power and a suit and tie we are expected to accept it and accept whatever they say in response to the other side.

The US and Israel literally call direct attacks on their occupying soldiers terrorism, meanwhile they can try to starve people and engage in illegal occupation which international law recognizes is as bad or worse as anything they’d define as terror because it has the same justifications and causes the same harm.

Edited 1 hour ago by Raze

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

no need to bring radical examples like this.

Yes, there is a need, because we are talking about integrating the brutality of life and war, and you are incapable of even integrating the concept of child rape, never mind the real thing.

You have much yet to learn.

I am not just saying random things to be edgy.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, Raze said:

The US or Israel drone striking an apartment or blockading a city for the stated aim of “pressure” is called justified.

Justification is an independent matter.

It is unjustified, but a drone strike is not terrorism, despite what leftists say.

Leftist moralism makes them say crazy inaccurate things like that.

Dieting is now genocide of fat people. Words are violence. Women have dicks. Development level is racism. Every conservative is fascism. Etc.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Atb210201]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, there is a need, because we are talking about integrating the brutality of life and war, and you are incapable of even integrating the concept of child rape, never mind the real thing.

You have much yet to learn.

I am not just saying random things to be edgy.

Ok then let me ask you something.

Integration means accepting and loving such a thing as child rape or fighting and condemning such a thing as child rape in the world to you?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Atb210201 said:

Ok then let me ask you something.

Integration means accepting and loving such a thing as child rape or fighting and condemning such a thing as child rape in the world to you?

Integration means realizing that Everything is Love.

What you do after that is up to you.

[Atb210201]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Integration means realizing that Everything is Love.

What you do after that is up to you.

Then I guess you're kinda saying the first thing which is loving and accepting it.

My stance is fighting and condemning it.

Because hey if everything is Love then fighting and condemning and morilizing is also love isn't it?

Why don't you try to accept that instead of the other?

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[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Why don't you accept that?

Because you are putting the cart before the horse. You are fighting and condemning out of ignorance. Your fighting and condemning will create more evil.

Not only will you not stop child abuse, you will create more of it.

Edited 52 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Atb210201]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your fighting and condemning will create more evil.

According to who?

Why is fighting evil in your eyes?

Who said loving a child raper will stop him and is better than fighting him?

Edited 48 minutes ago by Atb210201

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

According to who?

You see all these MAGA idiots calling everyone they hate a pedophile?

That's what you will get.

These MAGA idiots have not stopped any pedophiles, they just delude themselves.

Edited 48 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Raze]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Justification is an independent matter.

It is unjustified, but a drone strike is not terrorism, despite what leftists say.

Leftist moralism makes them say crazy inaccurate things like that.

Dieting is now genocide of fat people. Words are violence. Women have dicks. Development level is racism. Every conservative is fascism. Etc.

This is the definition of terrorism 

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Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against people, property, or governments to create fear and achieve political, religious, or social goals

Where in there is there anything that would apply to suicide bombers that wouldn’t apply to countless US and Israeli operations.

Right now the US is blockading Cuba and blockading and bombing Iran, both countries that did not attack it before they did that (making it unlawful aggression), for the stated reason of tormenting the people to achieve political goals.

The only reason it’s not considering terrorism is because the US is doing it. If Al Qaeda did this exactly to the US they would be called terrorism.

Its literally the same concept of misuse of definitions and lack of precision / double standards far leftists do for social causes, but being done by governments.

If the judicial system charged people like this it would be considered an obviously corrupt kangaroo court. Imagine if the only people who get charged with murder were people they didn’t like and if someone they liked committed murder it’s not considered as bad and called something else.

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[Atb210201]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You see all these MAGA idiots calling everyone they hate a pedophile?

That's what you will get.

These MAGA idiots have not stopped any pedophiles, they just delude themselves.

I try not to be political here and stay on the point.

Do you think loving a pedophile will be better than fighting a pedophile?

Don't you think it will just encourage them to be more of a pedophile?

Edited 42 minutes ago by Atb210201

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against people, property, or governments to create fear and achieve political, religious, or social goals

This is such a vague definition that everyone is a terrorist.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

I try not to be political and stay on the point.

Do you think loving a pedophile will be better than fighting a pedophile?

It's not about loving a pedophile, it is about self-deception and ignorance.

You are fighting yourself and you don't know it yet.

Edited 44 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is such a vague definition that everyone is a terrorist.

That’s the point. They just use it to label whatever they want to apply power through linguistic manipulation.
 

There are actual precise balanced definitions of crimes under international law but t governments delegitimize it for their own ends because they don’t want to be held to fair standards.

So accepting their terrorism labels is just enabling them.

Edited 43 minutes ago by Raze

[Atb210201]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

It's not about loving a pedophile, it is about self-deception and ignorance.

You are fighting yourself and you don't know it yet.

Who said God can't fight himself?

Isn't everything love according to you?

Why is it a problem if God wants to fight himself?

[Karmadhi]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

This is the definition of terrorism 

I notice Leo puts a lot of value into how you kill, not what the results of the action are

His reasoning is that if I press a button that launches a drone strike that will result in someone being burned alive it is way less bad, than me going next to someone, pouring gasoline on them and setting them alight with a match

To him it is how brutal you are willing to be physically not the result is

Shooting someone with a bullet in the head is less bad than throwing an axe to their face

I notice this type of reasoning from him

[Leo Gura]

@Raze It's not a good way of thinking about the issue.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Atb210201 said:

Who said God can't fight himself?

Isn't everything love according to you?

Why is it a problem if God wants to fight himself?

You are free to be foolish. No argument there.

Edited 42 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Karmadhi]

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is unjustified, but a drone strike is not terrorism, despite what leftists say.

I recall you said in an old video in an ironic voice that perhaps USA are the terrorists given the drone strikes and other stuff they do in the Middle East

You were alluding that what USA does is not so different

I cannot remember the video but it was more of a sarcastic critique of the "USA fights terrorism" type of rhetoric

Also at the end of the day @Raze does it even matter if terrorism or not

We can all agree it is war crimes, that is enough to condemn it

Something can be condemened without it being textbook terrorism

Lets not get lost in semantics

To be fair I also never hear Russians get called terrorists even though they strike civilians in Ukraine often

State actors rarely get that label, it is usually non state organizations or militias

IRA were considered terrorists for example, it is not only an arab thing

The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka too

If I can ask where are you from, or live? And what age are you?

We endgage here often but I do not know anything about your background  

Edited 33 minutes ago by Karmadhi