The Agreeing WIth Leo Dilemma

[AtmanIsBrahman]

Do you guys ever wonder if you're agreeing with Leo because Leo's right or because Leo said it? I have this problem sometimes.

It's not because I don't introspect to see if I'm believing or actually conscious of something. Rather, it's because Leo is so right about pretty much everything that I end up wondering if my mind was subconsciously influenced by actualized.org content to adopt the same conclusions. Or alternatively, it could be because reality is what it is and anyone can reach the same conclusions if they do truth seeking correctly.

Some things Leo is right about:

Oneness, nonduality 

The limits of science and the myth of science

Identifying rationalism

Academic philosophy being bullshit

Ideology, Conformity, the social matrix

God existing, and what God is

Solipsism (nonduality has to solipsistic, in case you didn't catch on)

Cognitive and ego development

The ego and self-deception
 

The weird thing is that as I do this work, I arrive at many of the same conclusions as Leo. Of course I already had heard about them, but my understanding becomes much deeper. The only issue is that I could be deceiving myself by using actualized.org as a sort of paradigm and then falling for confirmation bias.

I think the only solution to this is more introspection, removing beliefs, and contemplation. But it's still not easy.

It's important to be aware of the drawbacks of actualized.org. The content is really good, insanely good, inhumanly good. But the cost is that you're exposed to the most profound insights before actually doing the work that is needed to get there, and as a result you have the potential to reach higher peaks of consciousness but also to get bogged down in a very advanced form of a paradigm.

 

 

 

[Yimpa]

My deepest awakenings have been when Leo has been out of the picture, when Actualized teachings no longer exist, so that says something.

[Yimpa]

With that said, I could not have made sense of my Awakenings without Actualized and have the courage to go deeper. So there’s that!

[aurum]

Yeah there's no easy answer here.

If the teachings are truthful, then convergence actually is a good sign. Convergence is not necessarily a sign of not doing the work.

That said, of course you need to check yourself on this. You could also very easily be rationalizing your lack of understanding.

Both are true.

 

[Yimpa]

“When the student is ready the teacher will appear. When the student is truly ready... The teacher will Disappear.“ -Lao Tzu

[Yimpa]

This thread ties well with this one:

 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

On 9/19/2026 at 6:43 AM, Yimpa said:

This thread ties well with this one:

Thanks!

[AtmanIsBrahman]

On 9/18/2026 at 4:08 PM, aurum said:

 

Yeah there's no easy answer here.

If the teachings are truthful, then convergence actually is a good sign. Convergence is not necessarily a sign of not doing the work.

That said, of course you need to check yourself on this. You could also very easily be rationalizing your lack of understanding.

Both are true

 

I agree. It’s a unique problem when you find such a good set of teachings. 

[Yimpa]

You are Leo.

 

[Carl-Richard]

On 18.9.2026 at 9:39 AM, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Oneness, nonduality 

The limits of science and the myth of science

Identifying rationalism

Academic philosophy being bullshit

Ideology, Conformity, the social matrix

God existing, and what God is

Solipsism (nonduality has to solipsistic, in case you didn't catch on)

Cognitive and ego development

The ego and self-deception

How much did you know about these topics and what was your position on them before learning about them from Leo? Try to go point by point.

What topics or points do you disagree or differ with Leo on somehow?

Edited 19 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Lyubov]

It's difficult to do this work and have completely original self generated insights that haven't been somewhat shaped by teachers and other people you read their firsthand accounts about. 

[Leo Gura]

Just don't overlook that this applies to science and all forms of knowledge.

Is the Earth really round, or are you just agreeing with science? Is 1+1=2 really true, or are you just agreeing with the dogmas of math?

For any truth, you are going to have the question of: Is this really true, or am I just convinced its true by social forces? 

That's why truth cannot be a social thing.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[ZenSwift]

Remember that Actualized.org is just scaffolding.

You have to do the direct inquiry, contemplation, and create the direct realizations on your own. 

Leo's work is like a cheat sheet in the back of a textbook. Very helpful, and you can even learn a lot from it, but ultimately you have to arrive at the conclusions by performing the proofs yourself.

Taking your sovereignty back on every single piece of understanding that you have is a HUGE endeavor, which is why actualized.org serves as a great map. It takes a large amount of diligent work to really get this stuff working wonders for you. Profound curiosity about reality is required. 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Just don't overlook that this applies to science and all forms of knowledge.

Is the Earth really round, or are you just agreeing with science? Is 1+1=2 really true, or are you just agreeing with the dogmas of math?

For any truth, you are going to have the question of: Is this really true, or am I just convinced its true by social forces? 

That's why truth cannot be a social thing.

Yeah, I try to be aware of this. The thread was kind of me warning myself about the danger while telling other people about it at the same time.