Challenging Leo on women

[Joshe]

 

48 minutes ago, LordFall said:

it seems perhaps actually you're sitting in that stage green bubble where natural hierarchies make you uncomfortable and you refuse to believe there are innate differences between people?

Of couse I'm in stage green! That's been the problem my entire life! I just couldn't understand hierarchies! No matter what I did or how much I contemplated, I just couldn't understand hierarchies for the life of me! lol. 

Quick question for you: Which stage is hierarchy most conscious? Is that "orange"? 

It's actually funny to even think about if you wanted to compare your understanding of humans to mine systematically, that your understanding would make mine look inferior. 

I had higher hopes for you kid. 

[Joshe]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Joshe are you asking @LordFall to reverse engineer / derive your arguement from the conclusion you stated? 

No, I said I'd explain it all in the future but it's complicated and would take some work. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe cool please do, I was following along.

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

Rest up, and when your head is clear, feel free to elaborate more on your points. I think it's a worthwhile topic to explore and not just take Leo's word on it. Models can either survive the stress test or by invalidating them we can find an even superior model. To be honest though throughout this exchange so far you've mostly solidified to me how solid the predictive ability of spiral dynamics is. 

thanks bro. I'll come back when I'm clear

[Joshe]

Sorry if I was disrespectful. 

[aurum]

Development ain't an equal opportunity endeavor.

There are many factors that give people developmental advantages and disadvantages.

[Joshe]

49 minutes ago, aurum said:

Yellow is primarily about radical multi-perspectivalism, even beyond the pluralism of Orange / Green.

This is not at all something humans are just born with.

Bullshit. I was born with it. And the implication is that I was "born into yellow". This has massive problems for the model. I wasn't "born into yellow". I was born with a "predisposition". It doesn't make me special. I dont't get to claim some higher level development because of it. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@aurum have your observations and interactions on the forum contributed material for your work ( book ). I am quite interested 🙂 

[aurum]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Bullshit. I was born with it. And the implication is that I was "born into yellow". This has massive problems for the model. I wasn't "born into yellow". I was born with a "predisposition". It doesn't make me special. I dont't get to claim some higher level development because of it. 

You could be born with a predisposition that helps you develop into Yellow.

That's not a contradiction.

But a predisposition you are born with is definitely not equivalent to Yellow development by itself.

[aurum]

9 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@aurum have your observations and interactions on the forum contributed material for your work ( book ). I am quite interested 🙂 

100%.

I learn from everyone here.

The book is coming out very soon, so I will likely be sharing more about it.

[Joshe]

32 minutes ago, aurum said:

But a predisposition you are born with is definitely not equivalent to Yellow development by itself.

You have called me stage green previously (which was funny as hell because I've never been anything like  green). But if I can predict humans better than you, what makes you at stage yellow, or above, better than me at whatever stage I'm at it?

What separates us?

If I have deeper knowledge of human psychology and human systems than you do, how am I in some way lower on your spiral?

Edited 41 minutes ago by Joshe

[Joshe]

the only reasonable answer is "emotionality" 

😂😂😂

Edited 38 minutes ago by Joshe

[aurum]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

You have called me stage green previously (which was funny as hell because I've never been anything like  green). But if I can predict humans better than you, what makes you at stage yellow, or above, better than me at whatever stage I'm at it?

What separates us?

If I have deeper knowledge of human psychology and human systems than you do, how am I in some way lower on your spiral? 

I don’t grant that you have greater predictive ability or understanding of human psychology.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

54 minutes ago, aurum said:

100%.

I learn from everyone here.

The book is coming out very soon, so I will likely be sharing more about it.

Fucking sweet, please announce when it's released 🥰