Lindsay Clancy -Mother of 3 kills her kids during psychotic episode

[Monster Energy]

[Ulax]

3 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Society is lost. Leftists have successfully ruined it. No conservative who wasn’t intimidated would ever say that the woman who murdered her kids is innocent of murdering them. So yes, this absolutely is a political issue.

People are weak and corruptible, and that’s the problem with a system that relies on people to make decisions, whether through voting or serving on juries. Unfortunately, there’s no better alternative, and this kind of corruption and degradation of society may be inevitable.

 

The only support he’d receive would be hundreds of letters from women wanting to marry him.

90% of the commentary on both sides of this issue is dumb. The left more dumb though. Especially the ones who claim she didn't even do the killing at all

[Monster Energy]

1 minute ago, Ulax said:

90% of the commentary on both sides of this issue is dumb. The left more dumb though. Especially the ones who claim she didn't even do the killing at all

Lol

[Ulax]

Was not expecting Yeti to be rocking a Hipster aesthetic

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Basman said:

Corrupt judges are a problem regardless if you have the death penalty or not. 

Getting caught in 4k murderizing is an acceptable standard for capital I think. There's no doubt that Breivik or most school shooters aren't guilty. We aren't gaining anything by treating the unacceptable with kid gloves.

The point is that even the potential of corruption in the case of capital punishment is so bad that it could invalidate having capital punishment.

"Getting caught in 4k" is not a standard you have rigorously defined, and even with a rigorous definition, the nature of reality, evidence, proof is incredibly complex and uncertain. Probably no fact you could ever propose would be 100% certain; Breivik could have had a body double waiting on the island to give himself up while he left the island.

Any prosecution of any criminal act has a component of "the tyranny of conceptualization / inference / reductionism". You're trusting that a prosecution has reduced reality to one thing, one judgement, one description, over another. Adding corruption to that equation, multiplied by every chain in the chain of command, you can start to see how at least 600 people have been wrongfully sentenced to capital punishment.

Edited 12 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Basman]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The point is that even the potential of corruption in the case of capital punishment is so bad that it could invalidate having capital punishment.

"Getting caught in 4k" is not a standard you have rigorously defined, and even with a rigorous definition, the nature of reality, evidence, proof is incredibly complex and uncertain. Probably no fact you could ever propose would be 100% certain; Breivik could have had a body double waiting on the island to give himself up while he left the island.

Any prosecution of any criminal act has a component of "the tyranny of conceptualization / inference / reductionism". You're trusting that a prosecution has reduced reality to one thing, one judgement, one description, over another. Adding corruption to that equation, multiplied by every chain in the chain of command, you can start to see how at least 600 people have been wrongfully sentenced to capital punishment.

There are probably many more who have been wrongfully sentenced in general. Corruption is its own problem, not just relative to capital.

And I agree that there's potential for abuse, which is why you need a high standard and probably a bunch of additional bodies going through it (which I believe is already the case). 

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Probably no fact you could ever propose would be 100% certain; Breivik could have had a body double waiting on the island to give himself up while he left the island.

You have to be conspiratorial to think like that. That kind of ass pull doubt will not fly in court. Breivik is the perfect example of someone who should recieve the death penalty. There zero reasonable doubt of his guilt. 

[Willy Phallicus]

Best part is the lone jury holdout is a black man.

[Emerald]

On 9/10/2026 at 4:12 AM, Basman said:

Easy to say when its not your family and kids being murdered. In practice, certain crimes are unacceptable and humans want justice.

You don't want to live with rapists and murderers, even when they are technically safe. You don't want Breivik to be your carer when your old.

Justice is about keeping society safe. 

So, I think the murderers and rapists should not be allowed in mainstream society unless they are truly rehabilitated (which would be rare). 

The only reason why the death penalty would make sense as a form of justice is if the society isn't developed enough to have maximum security prisons to keep dangerous people sequestered away.

Like, if you're living in a tribe with no such facility and someone in the tribe is a murderer... then the responsible thing to do is to kill them. That's what's necessary to neutralize the threat.

But I don't think justice should be thought of as a punishment. And I don't think that the death penalty even makes sense as a form of punishment. 

I see justice as being about doing right by the victim, the criminal, and society at large...

You do right by the victim and society by removing the threat and ensuring that the crime cannot happen again.

But to do right by the criminal, you must remove the burden of freedom from them... as they are not capable of wielding freedom responsibility without causing harm.

Edited 5 hours ago by Emerald

[Joshe]

Conservatives be like 

Pride in the extermination of evil. Which we can all appreciate. It's just a matter of nuance.

Edited 3 hours ago by Joshe

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Basman said:

There are probably many more who have been wrongfully sentenced in general. Corruption is its own problem, not just relative to capital.

The more severe the outcome of corruption is in a given situation, the more you should be wary of "legalization" of such corruption. 

 

5 hours ago, Basman said:

And I agree that there's potential for abuse, which is why you need a high standard and probably a bunch of additional bodies going through it (which I believe is already the case).

Since you're apparently not satisfied with the current standards, how high should the standards be?

 

5 hours ago, Basman said:

You have to be conspiratorial to think like that. That kind of ass pull doubt will not fly in court.

I'm not entertaining that as a likely hypothesis; I'm making a point that making factual claims is most probably (I can't come up with a counterexample) always less than 100% certain. And that should inform whether or not you want to kill people based on such claims.

Imagine that you take all prosecutions that will ever happen in the history of the world, you take the inevitable portion of wrongly executed people, put them all in a ditch, and you're standing on top of the ditch with a gun. You walk down the ditch and up to every person and look them straight in the eye, and for each person, you say "I might be wrong, but..." *pulls the trigger*. Every person you kill is innocent. That's the moral weight of you as a person supporting killing by the state as punishment (capital punishment).

21 years in a jail cell, unless you're old (which then you're less likely to commit such crimes), you have hope for a future, you have opportunity for recourse, you have a life where you can better yourself, work towards something. Around half of the people sentenced to death in the US were ages 20-29 at the time of crime; when they're below 25, their brains are not fully developed, and many criminals tend to grow out of it by 30-40.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard