Islam vs actualized.org

[Oppositionless]

I'll be honest, it's still hard for me to understand how God realization is different from traditional nonduality, maybe I haven't tripped enough (then again Leo also says to not trip much in your 20s sooo....). By traditional nonduality I mean Advaita Vedanta , not Buddhism, although plenty of Buddhists said Advaita things , like Huang Po and Bankei who said all was mind.

But what I will say is, Leo excels in the realms of developmental psychology and conscious politics, that's something the traditions don't have.

Edited Tuesday at 08:05 PM by Oppositionless

[LordFall]

@gengar

I won't be editing my comment. If you post extreme tier-lists in a heated thread—satire or not—you own the fallout. Poe’s Law exists for a reason: on a forum where people unironically champion fundamentalist regimes, satire is indistinguishable from genuine dogma until stated otherwise.

Since you want a "proper historical analysis," here is why your defense of institutional Islam's role in science still falls apart:

The "Theology vs. Science" Delusion: You claim Ibn Sina and Al-Razi were persecuted for "theology, not science." In medieval Islam, natural philosophy and theology were inseparable. When Al-Ghazali wrote The Incoherence of the Philosophers, he explicitly attacked physical cause-and-effect itself (arguing cotton burns because Allah wills it, not due to heat). Orthodoxy crippled empirical science at its root.

Imperial Logistics not equalling Religious Validation: You credit Islam for libraries and trade networks. Every expanding empire builds infrastructure, medicine, and trade out of geopolitical necessity. Crediting the religion of Islam for the Golden Age simply because it happened inside an empire is like crediting the Roman Gods for the aqueducts.

The Mu'tazilite Exception Proves the Rule: The rationalist Mu'tazilite period was a brief 9th-century anomaly enforced by state inquisitions (Mihna). As soon as political power shifted, Ash'arite orthodoxy took over, shut down independent reasoning (Ijtihad), and locked the door for centuries.

Respect for your personal journey of reasoning your way out of the religion—that takes real intellectual courage. But scientific progress occurred in friction with Islamic orthodoxy, not as its byproduct.

[yetineti]

This debate's like comparing Algebra 1 and Algebra 2. What you need depends on what grade you're in. 

[Thought Art]

« Dont you effing compare apples and oranges » 

I’ll contemplate whatever and however I want thank you. 
 

Actualized isn’t a religion. Islam is.

Actualized teaches infinite consciousness, pure philosophy and advanced personal development and more. I to hard to encapsulate something so broad. 
 

Leo, I don’t really get the guy. He contains multitudes. 
 

Islam teaches God is infinite, all compassionate. It teaches contemplation, regular connection to gods grace. 

I don’t know if Mohammad ever existed but assume he did. I doubt he is perfect. But, God doesn’t choose perfect he chooses perfectly. I’m not sure of what any prophet truly is.

You can take aspects of Islam that work, and are actual rational and link them to wider topics of yoga, health, zen, etc. If you are a seeker of wisdom and can handle not needing to accept everything is a school of thought you can find wisdom. You can take that wisdom., and apply it
 

The heart can sing in its remembering of the union of which Islam can invoke. 
 

Actualized, again is hard to explain. How to explain the deepest of trips? Or the paradoxical immaturity of it’s creator? Or, the depths and preciseness Leo has explicated in his profound video catalogue. 

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[Husseinisdoingfine]

On 8/15/2026 at 10:04 AM, Leo Gura said:

Islam is idiocy compared to what I teach you.

Amen.

The people in my life are only muslims not out of a genuine desire for truth but out of conformity reasons and it fulfills the community and belonging needs in the Maslow's hierarchy of needs. 

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

« Dont you effing compare apples and oranges » 

I’ll contemplate whatever and however I want thank you. 
 

Actualized isn’t a religion. Islam is.

Actualized teaches infinite consciousness, pure philosophy and advanced personal development and more. I to hard to encapsulate something so broad. 
 

Leo, I don’t really get the guy. He contains multitudes. 
 

Islam teaches God is infinite, all compassionate. It teaches contemplation, regular connection to gods grace. 

I don’t know if Mohammad ever existed but assume he did. I doubt he is perfect. But, God doesn’t choose perfect he chooses perfectly. I’m not sure of what any prophet truly is.

You can take aspects of Islam that work, and are actual rational and link them to wider topics of yoga, health, zen, etc. If you are a seeker of wisdom and can handle not needing to accept everything is a school of thought you can find wisdom. You can take that wisdom., and apply it
 

The heart can sing in its remembering of the union of which Islam can invoke. 
 

Actualized, again is hard to explain. How to explain the deepest of trips? Or the paradoxical immaturity of it’s creator? Or, the depths and preciseness Leo has explicated in his profound video catalogue. 

Nobody is perfect that's what being a human is. It's very frustrating to put a lot of effort into something and then have people invalidate it with platitude.

Especially clueless people lol; what on earth are you talking about you don't know if Muhammad existed? So you have 0 knowledge of Islam's history and just watched a few videos on Youtube and are now writing many posts praising it? That's pretty wild my guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

Muhammad was born in a tribe of wealthy merchants called the Quraysh tribe who controlled the area around Mecca even before Muhammad's rise. He was a middle manager type merchant working for a a businesswoman named Khadijah who he later married. He was deeply troubled by the inequality of the world and the chaos of it and would at times isolate in a cave to meditate in a cave and find peace. At about 40 years old he had a vision of apparently the angel Gabriel and he embarked on his religious adventures and conquest that we know him from today. 

Were you arguing with me over multiple pages over if he's a warlord or not without even having researched the guy?  Come on bro 

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[Thought Art]

@LordFall … You don’t know if any historical person existed… I was attempting to be responsible to say we really don’t know the truth of these historical figures. Which, is important when considering an ancient school of thought and its recorded history. 

You’ve repeated the history I know. And, I said in this thread the audiobook I’ve been listening to already of why I felt there is something profound in the story of Mohammad, as well of the heart of compassion and Gods love in Islam teachings.

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[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

@LordFall … You don’t know if any historical person existed… I was attempting to be responsible to say we really don’t know the truth of these historical figures. Which, is important when considering an ancient school of thought and its recorded history. 

You’ve repeated the history I know. And, I said in this thread the audiobook I’ve been listening to already of why I felt there is something profound in the story of Mohammad, as well of the heart of compassion and Gods love in Islam teachings.

Let's go through the socratic method and epistemic process to deconstruct this. 

What makes you think he didn't exist? Do you have similar doubts on whether George Washington existed as well? 

[Thought Art]

@LordFall In general, especially with figures of over 1000 years ago, in cultures I’m not expert in… I have learned to realize all my knowledge of them is hearsay and not direct experience. 
 

Figures like George Washington are more recent. However, all history gives you is beliefs about him. You can never fully know him, or what was true about him. Though, he likely existed given what humans have told each other and our history. Normally, I would speak as if he existed without the same doubt we have for Lao Tzu or even Jesus. 
 

Mohammad, to me as I’m no historian is similar to these prophets, teachers and figures. They are so ancient to trust what any human says about them is not wise. But, I can tell the story of Mohammad that does exist as the story of Mohammad. 
 

I assume Mohammad existed all those years ago based on the history and the existence of Islam. But, what is true about him is difficult. I can study books and scholars but that is still hearsay. 
 

We can’t know for sure someone existed thousands of years ago but we can assume and generally trust history. But, we can’t know for sure even more specific details about somebody. 

This is besides the point for me in this post debating the history or Mohammad. I’m more interested in the universal teachings which Islam does indeed contain within it. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thought Art