Islam vs actualized.org

[Oppositionless]

I'll be honest, it's still hard for me to understand how God realization is different from traditional nonduality, maybe I haven't tripped enough (then again Leo also says to not trip much in your 20s sooo....). By traditional nonduality I mean Advaita Vedanta , not Buddhism, although plenty of Buddhists said Advaita things , like Huang Po and Bankei who said all was mind.

But what I will say is, Leo excels in the realms of developmental psychology and conscious politics, that's something the traditions don't have.

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[LordFall]

@gengar

I won't be editing my comment. If you post extreme tier-lists in a heated thread—satire or not—you own the fallout. Poe’s Law exists for a reason: on a forum where people unironically champion fundamentalist regimes, satire is indistinguishable from genuine dogma until stated otherwise.

Since you want a "proper historical analysis," here is why your defense of institutional Islam's role in science still falls apart:

The "Theology vs. Science" Delusion: You claim Ibn Sina and Al-Razi were persecuted for "theology, not science." In medieval Islam, natural philosophy and theology were inseparable. When Al-Ghazali wrote The Incoherence of the Philosophers, he explicitly attacked physical cause-and-effect itself (arguing cotton burns because Allah wills it, not due to heat). Orthodoxy crippled empirical science at its root.

Imperial Logistics not equalling Religious Validation: You credit Islam for libraries and trade networks. Every expanding empire builds infrastructure, medicine, and trade out of geopolitical necessity. Crediting the religion of Islam for the Golden Age simply because it happened inside an empire is like crediting the Roman Gods for the aqueducts.

The Mu'tazilite Exception Proves the Rule: The rationalist Mu'tazilite period was a brief 9th-century anomaly enforced by state inquisitions (Mihna). As soon as political power shifted, Ash'arite orthodoxy took over, shut down independent reasoning (Ijtihad), and locked the door for centuries.

Respect for your personal journey of reasoning your way out of the religion—that takes real intellectual courage. But scientific progress occurred in friction with Islamic orthodoxy, not as its byproduct.

[yetineti]

This debate's like comparing Algebra 1 and Algebra 2. What you need depends on what grade you're in.