How Can Reality be Meaningless if God is Real?

[SQAAD]

Leo has talked about meaninglessness and how Reality is meaningless.

This seems to make no sense to me. How can Reality be meaningless if it was created and designed by God?

I asked chat gpt and it says that these two things are not compatible.

I understand that meaning is a creation of my mind but still it exists. Meaning is real. Meaning exists, even if it's inside my mind.

I understand that let's say NA meetings mean something wonderful to me, even though NA meetings mean nothing to a turtle.

I understand that different things, have different meaning, for people.

When Leo talks about meaninglessness, does he mean that people have different meanings inside their head?

The Bible might mean the word of God for a christian, and it might mean the word of the devil by a muslim.

Meaninglessness seems to contradict Design, Purpose and Infinite Intelligence of God.

 

Edited July 31 by SQAAD

[Davino]

What is the point of everything at the end of the day? 

Really, why anything at all

Everything is pointless

Which makes everything its very own point

Since everything is full of meaning, meaning is inherently empty

Life is but a game of contrast, we know by virtue of contrasting spectrums

So all of God is just by its own sake

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On a more personal level, I think that anyone who has advanced to considerable depths has faced enormous ammounts of meaninglesness, because being human is a construction, everything is a construction, realising your whole self and present experience is a fabrication of consciousness, is like seeing the magick trick, and now you have to keep playing, you construct a new game, but at the core of your psyche it has lost its magical deception, there's a beauty in a dream that only comes from being unaware to its nature. Although recognising its true nature is the ultimate beauty, the particular meanings that come from it are as meaningful as you are willing to make them be.

[SQAAD]

@Davino

40 minutes ago, Davino said:

What is the point of everything at the end of the day?  

The point of it, is itself.

When you say everything is pointless, what do you mean?

Edited July 31 by SQAAD

[Hojo]

When you get what you want afterward when its over you realize that it never made you happy, because there will always be after. And if something happened constantly you will start to not like it.

Like if you want to party and you party 80 years after 80 years you are like I dont want to party anymore

Just replace party with anything.

Theres always after and when you are done doing what you thought had meaning enough the meaning vanishes.

leaving you with what you were running from.

The meaning in something is temporary like everything.

The temporary meaning is only a break from the true meaning which was there the entire time you were running from it and it cant go away.

Edited July 31 by Hojo

[Davino]

29 minutes ago, SQAAD said:The point of it, is itself.

 

The point of it, is itself.

When you say everything is pointless, what do you mean?

The same as the your first line

See, everything is a recursive chain back to itself.

The meaning of breathing is breathing.

[SQAAD]

@Hojo

19 hours ago, Hojo said:

When you get what you want afterward when its over you realize that it never made you happy, because there will always be after. And if something happened constantly you will start to not like it.

Like if you want to party and you party 80 years after 80 years you are like I dont want to party anymore

Just replace party with anything.

Theres always after and when you are done doing what you thought had meaning enough the meaning vanishes.

leaving you with what you were running from.

The meaning in something is temporary like everything.

The temporary meaning is only a break from the true meaning which was there the entire time you were running from it and it cant go away.

"The temporary meaning is only a break from the true meaning which was there the entire time you were running from it and it cant go away.". 

What is the true meaning?

[Hojo]

@SQAAD True meaning is no meaning. The meaning oft he universe is it has none.

[Breakingthewall]

The meaning of reality is being. This is absolute meaning, because being is everything. If you are open to what being is, you will see clearly that the meaning of reality is total. Sat chit Ananda, as the advaita say. Unbounded being that's is absolute joy in its unlimited freedom. 

Edited August 1 by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

glass example

and a quote from another thread that weaves into this ppint

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This is not about meaning. This is about surrendering your fear to accept that YOU ARE EVERYTHING.

You do not need meaning. You need to realize you are INFINITY, and INFINITY is LOVE.

You don't need meaning because you ARE Infinite Love!

What you fear is Infinite Love! Which is just Yourself! Your biggest fear is just Yourself! Ta-daaaa!

You are infintiely big and that scares you to death.

How could I possibily know all this?  

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On 8/20/2026 at 9:54 PM, Yimpa said:

 

Edited 8 minutes ago by Yimpa

[cetus]

On 7/31/2026 at 1:45 PM, SQAAD said:

I understand that meaning is a creation of my mind but still it exists.

 The mind refusing to let go of a belief that it created.

Reality just "IS". It needs no meaning. In fact, when the mind starts assigning meaning to reality, you get farther away from the direct experience of reality.

 So, no need to paint a red rose red with a lot of meaning. Just let it be as it is.

[Ziran]

On 7/31/2026 at 10:45 AM, SQAAD said:

When Leo talks about meaninglessness, does he mean that people have different meanings inside their head?

Lacking a specific quote, I'm guessing he's referring to "maya", which is all inclusive with regard to sensory feedback.

On 7/31/2026 at 10:45 AM, SQAAD said:

asked chat gpt and it says that these two things are not compatible.

True. 

My best guess is: what was referred to as "meaningless" is actually abbreviated in common parlance.  More rigorously and completely described:  It's "meaningless with one and only one exception."  That one exception is knowing oneself.  It's omitted because it's a mouthful to repeat and the audience is assumed, rightly, to be in the process of self-discovery.  So, it, the one and only one exception, knowing oneself, gets left out as a matter of convenience. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Ziran

[PsychedelicEagle]

One of the key insights related to the video OP posted is to realize that we ourselves create all meaning.
We — humans — are meaning-making machines.
Reality is meaningless in that it has no inherent meaning aside from the meaning we project ourselves.
Realizing this frees you up to create any meaning you want — yet take it lightly.

So your life now can not only have any meaning you want, but you're also able to let go of your created meanings when appropriate.

Edited 1 hour ago by PsychedelicEagle

[PsychedelicEagle]

Borrowing from The Landmark Forum:

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life is "empty and meaningless, and it's empty and meaningless that it's empty and meaningless."

 

[Leo Gura]

@SQAAD It is like a video game. The game can have meaning to you, but then you realize that the rewards inside the game have no meaning outside the game world, and eventually you become disenchanted with the game.

For some people, collecting stamps is more meaningful than having children. But for you, there is probably no meaning in collecting stamps.

After Awakening you might say to yourself: "Why the hell am I even collecting these stamps??? This is so silly."

Edited 55 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Ziran]

On 7/31/2026 at 10:45 AM, SQAAD said:

Leo has talked about meaninglessness and how Reality is meaningless.

The video begins with a distinction between little 'm' "meaningless" and big M "Meaningless.  Leo says, the confusion regarding the concept is resolved when little 'm' "meaningless" is reconsidered as big M "Meaningless".  Then, as he elaborates, if you pay close attention, he doesn't say "Reality is meaningless".  He says, paraphrasing, when you realize that Allllllllll of it ( looking all around with his eyes with a big grin ) is big 'M' "Meaningless" ... Then the words slowly stop, and you can tell, Leo is enjoying this.  The Allllllllllll of it, that Leo was referring to is the panoramic multi-dimensional sensory experience which is rendered like a "play" on a "stage"  within his mind's eye.  When you realize it, if you haven't already, it tickles a little to defocus and refocus such that the cognition of rendering within the mind's eye is noticed.

And that's the real point of it.  He's contrasting this sort of pleasant realizing with an unpleasant inherently incomplete conception of "Meaningless-ness".

If this is still a struggle conceptually.  Give it time.  Take Leo's advice.  Try to distinguish between two types of nihilism.  One type is necessarily self-defeating.  it cannot be nihilistic and simultaneously pejorative.  Those two are mutually exclusive.  Then, from there, try to complete the notion of meaningless-ness which blossoms from recognition of the illusory nature of human sensory feedback apparatus.

Edited 49 minutes ago by Ziran

[Willy Phallicus]

Meaninglessness goes way beyond human comprehension.  The intricacy of the big empty goes far deeper than human existence.