why women fall for narcissists

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Vynce said:

they are extra sharp in sensing if a guy is full of crap.

No way!

Women are so easy to manipulate and lie to. It's like stealing candy from a baby.

I've lost plenty of sex simply because I wasn't willing to deceive her.

PUAs are masters of manipulation. Because it works.

As RSD Jeff says, "You can't be a player with a heart of gold." That sums it up perfectly.

God is about developing a heart of gold. Which requires surrendering manipulation.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Olaf]

@Vynce manipulation is simply seducing in a playful way, if you are playful, are you lying or just playing a game? She never knows and you don't know either, in this place things can be easily manipulated and people take it as far as their morals goes. That is why it is called game, you are playful, playing, nothing you say is serious and autistic which is how men communicate. So the idea is that you are not being truthful anyways from the start, you are in la la land, playing a game.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Olaf said:

manipulation is simply seducing in a playful way,

It is more than just that. It also involves lying, bullshitting, misleading.

[Optimized Life]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I've lost plenty of sex simply because I wasn't willing to deceive her.

Do u have any good examples of this?

I think i will just have to accept that i wasnt cutout to be god 

I'm a narcissist and i accept it, but at least im not andrew tate 

The only positive side is that no one needs to be a tate level narcisist to get maximum sex

Tate has also lost millions of potential girls from his toxicity and reputation 

Edited 7 hours ago by Optimized Life

[Vynce]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is more than just that. It also involves lying, bullshitting, misleading.

I just can't think about a time when straight up lying had gotten me more sex. I feel like my bad conscience would kill the vibes and would have made me more insecure. Idk. maybe lying works well on child development levels.

Edited 7 hours ago by Vynce

[Jirh]

I've known some narcissistic men in my life. They tend to emit high energy, although completely fake and inauthentic, but it seems authentic to the core, and those who lack depth fail to see that. Most girls like high energy, but they cannot distinguish toxic high energy from healthy high energy.

The way narcissists usually operate is they try everything to put themselves in a position where most girls will likely look at, leadership roles and things like that, so they can get easily noticed. And once they are there, it becomes easy to hoard mass female attention. Being the center of attention is their most preferred place, it's their playground and comfort zone. Their strategy is simple, but genius, they mass bait girls by giving sexual signals, and once a girl catches the signal and gets hooked, they pull back, and now the girl starts chasing thinking that she's chasing a high value man. They do that to all the girls they find attractive.

However, what breaks the narcissist is a girl that doesn't take the bait and doesn't chase him. He becomes obsessed with her, because to him, her rejection is an indicator of his failure and unworthiness. So, he returns to the same baiting dynamic, only harder this time and more focused on that one girl.

[Optimized Life]

19 minutes ago, Jirh said:

I've known some narcissistic men in my life. They tend to emit high energy, although completely fake and inauthentic, but it seems authentic to the core, and those who lack depth fail to see that. Most girls like high energy, but they cannot distinguish toxic high energy from healthy high energy.

The way narcissists usually operate is they try everything to put themselves in a position where most girls will likely look at, leadership roles and things like that, so they can get easily noticed. And once they are there, it becomes easy to hoard mass female attention. Being the center of attention is their most preferred place, it's their playground and comfort zone. Their strategy is simple, but genius, they mass bait girls by giving sexual signals, and once a girl catches the signal and gets hooked, they pull back, and now the girl starts chasing thinking that she's chasing a high value man. They do that to all the girls they find attractive.

However, what breaks the narcissist is a girl that doesn't take the bait and doesn't chase him. He becomes obsessed with her, because to him, her rejection is an indicator of his failure and unworthiness. So, he returns to the same baiting dynamic, only harder this time and more focused on that one girl.

These caricature type of guys exist but most people are a lot more complex and multi-faceted 

A "bad guy" can otherwise be providing massive value to the world overall for example 

These cartoonish narcissists like andrew tate arent an accurate or relatable reflection of the vast majority of men, including players, puas, even criminals. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Optimized Life said:

Do u have any good examples of this?

Yes. My girlfriend asked me if her butt was big, I knew I shouldn't answer that, but since I care about truth, I told her yes, and that ended our relationship. If I was a typical PUA or narc, I would have just bullshitted her and kept having lots of sex with her.

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I think i will just have to accept that i wasnt cutout to be god

Or you just need to burn through some karma, get that craving for sex out of your system, so you can think clearly.

Don't underestimate how much you can develop in 20 years.

1 hour ago, Vynce said:

I just can't think about a time when straight up lying had gotten me more sex. I feel like my bad conscience would kill the vibes and would have made me more insecure.

But see... that is your weakness. You are a moral person who cares about truth, so you cannot lie convincingly. But a bullshit artist like Trump or Tate can lie without killing the vibes. They lie like breathing air. That's how narcs are. In this respect narcs have an advantage over you. Not being able to lie and cheat is a kind of handicap in the material world. Trump wins precisely because he is the most shameless liar. Most politicians are not evil enough to compete with that.

It works that way in politics, it works that way in war, it works that way in business, it works that way in dating.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Jirh]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes. My girlfriend asked me if her butt was big, I knew I shouldn't answer that, but since I care about truth, I told her yes, and that ended our relationship.

Why did that end the relationship? Big butt is a compliment these days wtf 😂

Anyway, technically you didn't tell the truth, because there's no absolute measurement.

Since big and small are relative terms, you could have said it's small, and you would have been as truthful.

But of course, ultimately any answer is wrong in this case, because it's often a test. The best answer is to dodge the question entirely and just be playful and reassuring/complimenting. Tell her that it's the perfect size or something like that.

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Jirh said:

Why did that end the relationship? Big butt is a compliment these days wtf 😂

She was gaining weight and she was unhappy with it herself. She expected me to be attracted to her at any weight, which is untrue for me.

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Anyway, technically you didn't tell the truth, because there's no absolute measurement.

It isn't about the measurement, it's about what my honest opinion is. If I don't like something, that's the truth. I can't pretend to like what I don't like. I am not claiming my opinion is objective.

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The best answer is to dodge the question entirely and just be playful and reassuring/complimenting. Tell her that it's the perfect size or something like that.

Of course I know that. I know how to do that. But I consciously refused to do it because that's bullshit. I don't want a relationship based on bullshit.

That is the cost of truth. Since most people don't care about truth, it's a non-issue for them. But for me truth is the most important issue.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Jirh]

@Leo Gura

But nobody can clear that bar. Everyone lies in ways that we consider okay.

For example, makeup is a lie. But you'd still rather have your girl pretty with makeup than less prettier without.

Also going to the gym is a lie in a way. We're forcing our bodies to look something that's not compatible with the way we live.

Wearing clothes is a form of lying too, because it hides the truth underneath it. It changes the truth depending on what clothes are worn. Yet, we still wear clothes.

If the problem was regarding your truth about attraction, then you should have broken up first before her asking that question. Or at least you should have told her to get in shape or you'll dump her.

Edited 5 hours ago by Jirh

[Optimized Life]

20 minutes ago, Jirh said:

@Leo Gura

Also going to the gym is a lie in a way. We're forcing our bodies to look something that's not compatible with the way we live.

This is kinda contradictory

The gym is a pretty honest signal unless you're on steroids. 

1. It reveals the type of build your body was designed to have, some people are just tanks that can put a ton of muscle and carry it without strain

2. It is compatible by definition because to maintain gym results over the long term you have to have a grip on diet, recovery, routine, so the build is exactly compatible with the lifestyle feeding it 

3. Humans are constantly "forcing themselves" to do all sorts of things just to survive, with your logic brushing teeth or using a condom is also a lie 

4. Yes in a sense, everything is a lie and an illusion anyway, welcome to planet illusion 

Edited 5 hours ago by Optimized Life

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, Jirh said:

@Leo Gura

But nobody can clear that bar. Everyone lies in ways that we consider okay.

I don't care what humans consider okay.

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For example, makeup is a lie. But you'd still rather have your girl pretty with makeup than less prettier without.

Actually, I like girls without makeup. Of course that means they have to look good without makeup, which most girls don't.

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Also going to the gym is a lie in a way. We're forcing our bodies to look something that's not compatible with the way we live.

Wearing clothes is a form of lying too, because it hides the truth underneath it. It changes the truth depending on what clothes are worn. Yet, we still wear clothes.

If the problem was regarding your truth about attraction, then you should have broken up first before her asking that question. Or at least you should have told her to get in shape or you'll dump her.

Look, you can make all those kinds of arguments, but at the end of the day we all have to draw our moral lines. I drew my line where I did. I am not perfectly truthful, but some lies I just can't do. I am not claiming that my choices are objectively right and suitable for everyone.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

13 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Women are attracted to men who allow a pleasant setting/vibe in one way or another.

This is the opposite of narcissism; because you are not masculine according to your ideal self you declare the brutality/confidence of men who want, tend towards these objects of desire as being narcissistic.

But it's precisely this phallic failure that's correlated with narcissism as a defense mechanism. That's what you're doing in this thread, as usual even @Leo Gura  came to the topic to do it; you can't just say "Oh I just don't want to fight too hard for a steak, I'm too laid-back/not sexual enough" you have to cope by making enemies: illogical women and narcissists. It's a form of narcissism.

A few days ago I saw a thread where @AION was projecting all his castration anxiety onto his so-called friends lol

Projecting anxiety and associated affects (fear, hatred…) is still not be phallic; that's why particularly neurotic men generate a more feminine energy than the average man.

Hidden beneath a rigid demeanor; but the passive-aggressiveness is not deceiving.

I’m not sure if I’m not phallic enough 🤣

[Jirh]

@Leo Gura Fair enough. Hope you find your girl.