Your guy's deepest insight on self deception

[JoshB]

Im curious what your guy's deepest insight on self deception is. When I realized other minds was a projection that was a radical deception. If you've realized something similar or more radical I would love to hear it. 

[JoshB]

Or if any you have any deep insights on self deception please share. 🙏

[gettoefl]

Self deception is a preference for being spared the truth. Don't foist truth on me. I have truth already and it is is working for me. Don't speak the t-word in my presence. I am good thanks. Leave me be in this lovely little bubble. Leo stated the truth on his blog today concerning what is philosophy. Almost all don't want to entertain it. Allow me to wallow in self-deception. I have wife and kids to feed and I don't have the bandwidth for dream-smashing philosophy thanks.

Edited Tuesday at 01:42 PM by gettoefl

[Ziran]

"What bothers me about others, is what bothers me about myself."

[enchanted]

1 hour ago, Ziran said:

"What bothers me about others, is what bothers me about myself."

And vice versa. What you like about others is what you like in your self? 

Edited Wednesday at 03:15 AM by enchanted

[enchanted]

Projecting a golden halo on someone can be as deceptive as projecting a shadow on someone. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:16 AM by enchanted

[gettoefl]

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Pain is a wrong perspective. When it is experienced in any form, it is a proof of self-deception. It is not a fact at all. There is no form it takes that will not disappear if seen aright. For pain proclaims God cruel. How could it be real in any form? It witnesses to God the Father's hatred of His Son, the sinfulness He sees in him, and His insane desire for revenge and death.

My holy friend, think of this awhile: The world you see does nothing. It has no effects at all. It merely represents your thoughts. And it will change entirely as you elect to change your mind, and choose the joy of God as what you really want. Your Self is radiant in this holy joy, unchanged, unchanging and unchangeable, forever and forever. And would you rather deny a little corner of your mind its own inheritance, and keep it as a hospital for pain; a sickly place where living things must come at last to die?

- ACIM

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:53 AM by gettoefl

[Ziran]

10 hours ago, enchanted said:

And vice versa. What you like about others is what you like in your self? 

Yes. 

[Yimpa]

Your  entire life is a self-deception.  Awakening will make this 100% clear. 

[cetus]

I was once deceived by the experience of reality thinking it was the absolute reality. Wow was I wrong. This is just a sandbox in comparison to what true reality is.

[Joshe]

A mind that spins no stories about itself cannot be self-deceived. 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Joshe said:

A mind that spins no stories about itself cannot be self-deceived. 

Sure it can. I know self-deceived enlightened people.

[Joseph Maynor]

Hardcore spirituality displacing us out of years of life.  

[Jirh]

The moment you stop seeing self-deception is the moment you are perfectly deceived.

[Mellowmarsh]

On 21/07/2026 at 2:40 PM, gettoefl said:

Self deception is a preference for being spared the truth. Don't foist truth on me. I have truth already and it is is working for me. Don't speak the t-word in my presence. I am good thanks. Leave me be in this lovely little bubble. Leo stated the truth on his blog today concerning what is philosophy. Almost all don't want to entertain it. Allow me to wallow in self-deception. I have wife and kids to feed and I don't have the bandwidth for dream-smashing philosophy thanks.

Exactly, no one who is seeking the truth, or who thinks they’ve found it, can then tell another person about their discovery, because as seekers we’re all doing the same thing, anyway. Basically it’s pointless trying to tell others what they already know, or have figured out for themselves.
 

In my opinion, everyone’s truth claim has come from the exact same source, namely, the source that you and every other you already is.

So it’s all just a pointless exercise believing we can persuade others to ditch their own truth claim in favour of someone else’s and vice versa. When it’s obvious that we’re all just here garnering our own truths from the same exact source, namely from ourselves, I mean where else is our truth claims going to come from except from ourself.

This is the madness of forums such as this. It’s pointless trying to believe we are here to be discussing these subjects with the sole agenda of trying to win other people over to our side of the truth whereby they ditch their own in favour of another truth that’s not even theirs…point is, they’re all ideas that are going to be different that’s all, even as they are seemingly just trying to describe the same truth. That’s the unavoidable paradox.

So that’s the madness of different ideas all trying to be heard by others. Already knowing that others just hear what they want to hear, full stop. The unavoidable thing about truth claiming is that they’re all going to appear different that’s all.
 

Even though intuition knows it’s all the (same difference)  but the mind doesn’t want to hear that, it sounds too confusing and convoluted to a mind that is searching for mutual collective agreement on what constitutes a truth we can all agree upon. . Problem with this is that it never works out like that, it’s not that simple, and that’s why we have to remain silent in our own truth. 
 

But no one wants to remain silent, people want to talk about their truth claims to others, and that’s when all the differences start to get so entangled that all that’s left is one humongous platter of pointless jumbled up nonsensical word salad embedded upon a mass of spaghetti, and then it’s like we set ourselves up for the pointless job of trying to disentangle the set up entanglement until we are satisfied and have been able to convince everyone else that we have understood each other and have arrived at a mutual agreement, about a subject we already understand….anyway, that’s why it’s all just a crazy ego driven nonsense fest, all because we can’t just stay silent in our own truth, it’s a truth that is everyone’s birthright, and not just a special luxury for the entitled privileged chosen ones, which is often sometimes believed by the philosophical or spiritual communities. What arrogance, people thinking they know what’s better for someone else. The only real teacher here is life itself, not some other person trying to micromanage or manipulate other people’s minds.