Talking on a Date with normie girls about spiritual topics. Experience?

[OBEler]

Have some of you on your first dates come up with some spiritual topics ? Like about chacra or astral projection, or psychedelics, deep meditation whatsoever? If not why? If so how has the girl reacted in the aftermath?

I for myself have mixed experiences. I can get quickly attention on that topic, normal girls with a bit of religious background are very fast interested if I tell them about spiritual experiences like astral traveling or near death experience. However when I go deeper into it and begin to talk about reality and illusion and explain them some new perspectives etc they become scared. At the end when I brought these heavy topics up even If I stay calm and easy, I get the feeling I loose attraction with that. They cant grasp it and get more serious, not flirty anymore. 

What are your experiences?

 

Edited 2 hours ago by OBEler

[LordFall]

Yes most people don't like ambiguity and fair enough it's quite scary. Much more appealing to get a worldview in a box like mainstream religions.

I've done it a few times but mostly for mild topics like meditations and sometimes psychedelics.

10 minutes ago, OBEler said:

At the end when I brought these heavy topics up even If I stay calm and easy, I get the feeling I loose attraction with that. I think these topics are for normies too weird and normal women (like men) dont like weird stuff, it makes them feel bad.

I think with good reason, what exactly is your purpose for bringing heavy topics on a first date? It's not really a spiritual thing, people don't tend to do that in general and repeatedly bring up like starving children in Africa on first dates. Some people do like bleeding heart leftists and to be fair it'll heavily screen out people that aren't super passionate about these topics but for me it's not a top priority. In my mind overly spiritual people are using it more as a coping mechanism for being unsuccessful in real life rather than being actual deep thinkers so I would be likely to be turned off if a girl was particularly new agey. I don't mean successful like make a lot of money but even being a responsible, dependable and consistent adult that's ready for a healthy relationship is often times lacking in those circles in MY personal experience. 

Also most people are not intellectuals they don't enjoy discussing abstract concepts, they deal more in tangibles. If are heavily involved in your business/career in a spiritual industry that would be one thing but if you just like the videos and enjoy discussing it then it's a whole other thing. 

Edited 4 hours ago by LordFall

[enchanted]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

Have some of you on your first dates come up with some spiritual topics ? Like about chacra or astral projection, or psychedelics, deep meditation whatsoever? If not why? If so how has the girl reacted in the aftermath?

I for myself have mixed experiences. I can get quickly attention on that topic, normal girls with a bit of religious background are very fast interested if I tell them about spiritual experiences like astral traveling or near death experience. However when I go deeper into it and begin to talk about reality and illusion and explain them some new perspectives etc they become scared. At the end when I brought these heavy topics up even If I stay calm and easy, I get the feeling I loose attraction with that. They cant grasp it and get more serious, not flirty anymore. 

What are your experiences?

 

No dude, do not take actualized.org teachings to the real world. Leo even says it himself. To attract a woman you have to create a beautiful narrative (i.e fiction) of why they should date you, not beat them over the head with the truth! Nothing will get a womans vagina dryer than a know-it-all douchebag with a YouTube philosophy/spiritual diploma from actualized.org. sorry lol

Leo's teaches the highest truths that for most of humanity has been banned for the common people. We at actualized.org have seeked this information out and have adjusted to its radical ideas but you can't expect normal people to accept it. It's way too heavy stuff.  You will just sound like a flat eather or a real life matrix fan. 

Edited 2 hours ago by enchanted

[PenguinPablo]

I think mostly it's about the embodiment more than anything. 

Certain women find that deeply mysterious and intoxicating.

I think talking about it though is too much for most people -- especially the most radical spiritual ideas because of the metaphysical and spiritual implications.

Better for her to feel like you're from another universe than to see what's under the hood.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by PenguinPablo

[Miguel1]

26 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

Better for her to feel like you're from another universe than to see what's under the hood.

This is key insight. This way she can rationalize in your favour.

If you logically explain the truth, she has no way to rationalize in your favour.

And to answer OP’s original question, what happens when you bring these topics to your normie friends and family? Why would it be any different with girls?

[aurum]

2 hours ago, OBEler said:

Have some of you on your first dates come up with some spiritual topics

I will usually mention something about spirituality or God. But I don't go in depth.

I just need her to get a sense of what I care about, not give her a philosophy lecture.

[OBEler]

@Miguel1 yeah it's a bit different. These girl I date are really curious. They ask many questions. But then I give them the answers  it doesn't end well. 

They see me as mysterious. But in a kind of scared way. I asl me if there are other people here who have sililar or different kind of perspectives. 

I see that being mysterious is not so good as pick up people think it is. It creates unsafety. 

Edited 2 hours ago by OBEler

[Sugarcoat]

Didn’t you want them to get “scared” and “serious, not flirty anymore” tho? You see yourself as “more conscious”  than them right? So I guess you wanna feel like “the dominant one”. So yea there you go, you succeeded 

[Hojo]

Its not a date topic. Dating is about learning about the individual this is not that.

[LordFall]

28 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Miguel1 yeah it's a bit different. These girl I date are really curious. They ask many questions. But then I give them the answers  it doesn't end well. 

They see me as mysterious. But in a kind of scared way. I asl me if there are other people here who have sililar or different kind of perspectives. 

I see that being mysterious is not so good as pick up people think it is. It creates unsafety. 

Think of being mysterious more as a teasing move not literally being a mystery. I have a buddy where we went on a double date with these two older women and he refused to reveal his age when asked multiple times. I like to make them guess the first time and then say it, it lets the girl do some cold reading on you and then gives her satisfaction when you actually tell her the answer. If you refuse to say your age it starts to look uncalibrated or genuinely maliciously mysterious like you are refusing to reveal relevent information because it makes you look bad.  

First dates are about do you enjoy spending time with this person on a surface level just getting drinks/food/a walk for a couple hours before you invest more time into them. OKAY WHAT ARE YOUR DEEPEST BELIEFS ABOUT REALITY, LETS DISCUSS is not so much chill fun conversation unless you're really smooth about it.  

[OBEler]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Didn’t you want them to get “scared” and “serious, not flirty anymore” tho? You see yourself as “more conscious”  than them right? So I guess you wanna feel like “the dominant one”. So yea there you go, you succeeded 

Yes, I have more deep knowledge and am way more conscious than them. I mean they did not put 10.000 of hours into spiritual work. But I dont want to feel like "the dominant one".  In this situation yes I feel like I know more than them. Its like a teacher student relationship. A teacher will also have this feeling. 

[OBEler]

@LordFall You can smoothly go into spiritual topics. Its not so difficult. Its not like : lets sit down and talk about god. Just simple questions like "do you meditate?" or "do you believe in ghosts?" or something.

Edited 1 hour ago by OBEler

[Sugarcoat]

14 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Yes, I have more deep knowledge and am way more conscious than them. I mean they did not put 10.000 of hours into spiritual work. But I dont want to feel like "the dominant one".  In this situation yes I feel like I know more than them. Its like a teacher student relationship. A teacher will also have this feeling. 

Wait, you dont wanna feel dominant?

[OBEler]

@Sugarcoat I mean I dont pursue that. if I feel dominant its ok. But I dont NEED to feel dominant.

Edited 1 hour ago by OBEler

[LordFall]

32 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Yes, I have more deep knowledge and am way more conscious than them. I mean they did not put 10.000 of hours into spiritual work. But I dont want to feel like "the dominant one".  In this situation yes I feel like I know more than them. Its like a teacher student relationship. A teacher will also have this feeling. 

I think we've diagnosed the issue with this reply. Since this is your comfort zone of topics you probably default to talking to it and do it in a way that's more logical rather than fun and playful which is why the women you've gone on dates with end up offput and a bit scared. 

16 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Sugarcoat I mean I dont pursue that. if I feel dominant its ok. But I dont NEED to feel dominant.

Being dominant on a date is a good thing. Women want to show up and have an automatic good time they don't really have to have to put too much effort into it. So it's your job as the man to lead the date to being a fun and pleasant experience that takes both of your minds off of the hardships of life. 

31 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@LordFall You can smoothly go into spiritual topics. Its not so difficult. Its not like : lets sit down and talk about god. Just simple questions like "do you meditate?" or "do you believe in ghosts?" or something.

I like the do you believe in ghost one, it could be easily turned into past life conversations and a "I bet you were the bad guy in a past life" playful teasing. I'll try it out. Usually I just talk about meditation and how its improved my life and lowered my anxiety but it's more of a boring topic. 

Maybe you can put your hand on her hand and and say do you think we are the same person in different bodies? I'm sure if the date is going well that will escalate quickly to the bedroom. Alright challenge accepted I will get laid with the spiritual topic. 

Edited 51 minutes ago by LordFall

[LifeEnjoyer]

 

[OBEler]

@LifeEnjoyer Good example from connor murphy.

Look at the womans faces. They get more serious and less playful. I bet connor got not their numbers with that talking.

Edited 34 minutes ago by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

The problem is it's a very logical topic which is too serious for a first date. You should keep things fun and light.

Why are you talking about something so serious with someone who probably isn't into it?

Giving your date an existential crisis in not the way to go.

Edited 13 minutes ago by Leo Gura