Most Dating Books/Teachers Aren't Exceptional

[something_else]

12 minutes ago, Valach said:

I just want to say that, regardless of whether I agree with every opinions of yours, I really appreciate how elegantly and constructively you present your opinions. Been noticing it for some time

Thank you 

[AION]

You guys are nitpicking the wrong thing. I agree with Ken Wilber on this one. 
 

You guys don’t even understand basic modernity. Let stand post modernity vis-à-vis the big three: truth, goodness and beauty and how it apples to the strawberry metaphor. 
 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by AION

[something_else]

8 minutes ago, AION said:

You guys are nitpicking the wrong thing. I agree with Ken Wilber on this one. 
 

You guys don’t even understand basic modernity. Let stand post modernity vis-à-vis the big three: truth, goodness and beauty and how it apples to the strawberry metaphor. 
 

If you guys put such an attitude while being so wrong I’m not engaging in a debate. I’m done with feeding pearls to pigs after my recent clash on this forum 

lmao

[Miguel1]

This whole conversation is a one big cross-talking at each other.

[Ulax]

48 minutes ago, AION said:

You guys are nitpicking the wrong thing. I agree with Ken Wilber on this one. 
 

You guys don’t even understand basic modernity. Let stand post modernity vis-à-vis the big three: truth, goodness and beauty and how it apples to the strawberry metaphor. 
 

 

When they are developed enough they will understand. But we have to be patient with them.

[AION]

35 minutes ago, something_else said:

lmao

Oink oink 

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, AION said:

Just understanding what a strawberry is doesn’t make me like it. For example find somebody who dislikes strawberries and tell him everything there is to know about strawberries. It won’t change his taste. 

Disliking women is a strong sign of not being good with them and a lack of understanding of social systems. Usually when men dislike women it's because they feel like they are better than them or they're just not getting laid. If you start to understand how the status and dominance hierarchy work and position yourself at the top then women go from adversarial and cold to friendly, collaborative and well very down to fuck you.

I would highly recommend you put some work towards figuring that out instead of having a passive-aggressive relationship with women, what an unfortunate place to choose to experience life from. Women oftentimes serve as a universal mirror to point your blind spots and show you where you are weak and not contributing enoug value to other people. 

Women are obviously much more valuable to your life than strawberries ever will and much more delicious as well. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[Valach]

6 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Disliking women is a strong sign if not being good with them and understanding social systems. Usually when people dislike women it's because they feel like they are better than them or they're just not getting laid. If you start to understand how the status and dominance hierarchy work and position yourself at the top then women go from adversarial and cold to friendly, collaborative and well very down to fuck you.

I would highly recommend you put some work towards figuring that out instead of having a passive-aggressive relationship with women, what an unfortunate place to choose to experience life from. 

While some of what you say has some validity, there are definitely many many men who dislike woman and have not much of empathy for them whilst being succesfull with them.

[Ulax]

10 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Disliking women is a strong sign of not being good with them and a lack of understanding of social systems. Usually when men dislike women it's because they feel like they are better than them or they're just not getting laid. If you start to understand how the status and dominance hierarchy work and position yourself at the top then women go from adversarial and cold to friendly, collaborative and well very down to fuck you.

I would highly recommend you put some work towards figuring that out instead of having a passive-aggressive relationship with women, what an unfortunate place to choose to experience life from. Women oftentimes serve as a universal mirror to point your blind spots and show you where you are weak and not contributing enoug value to other people. 

Women are obviously much more valuable to your life than strawberries ever will and much more delicious as well. 

Ad Hominem final boss

[LordFall]

3 minutes ago, Ulax said:

Ad Hominem final boss

No that's an incorrect use of the term, what I said is valid deductive reasoning. Most men are not successful with women and the sour grapes phenomenon is a documented psychological effect so it stands to reason that most men that dislike women are not successful with them. 

9 minutes ago, Valach said:

While some of what you say has some validity, there are definitely many many men who dislike woman and have not much of empathy for them whilst being succesfull with them.

I think that's true but that stems mostly with men not understanding and making the systems of society work in their favor so they have to expand a lot of energy and feel like a dancing monkey to get laid. Which is a valid point and why I stopped cold approaching for the past few years to focus on social circle and social media game which makes the leverage game finally work in my favor. 

[Valach]

3 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I think that's true but that stems mostly with men not understanding and making the systems of society work in their favor so they have to expand a lot of energy and feel like a dancing monkey to get laid. Which is a valid point and why I stopped cold approaching for the past few years to focus on social circle and social media game which makes the leverage game finally work in my favor. 

What I find interesting is that your framework seems to evaluate the quality of a man's relationship with women primarily by how successful or efficient he is with them.

To me, that actually hints at a subtle form of objectification.

If the health of your relationship with women is measured mainly by how much attraction, sex or cooperation you get from them, then women are still being evaluated largely in terms of what they provide for you. That's still making your internal state dependent on them fulfilling your emotional or physical needs.

I'd almost argue the opposite: the healthier your relationship with women becomes, the less your well-being depends on how successful you are with them.

To me, genuine empathy starts when you see someone as a human being first and a woman second. Their value isn't determined by how attracted they are to you, how much validation they give you, or how efficiently the interaction goes. Those things may improve naturally, but they're no longer the metric by which you evaluate the relationship.

[Zen LaCroix]

8 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

Narcissist has been a buzzword for a longtime already, everywhere on the internet.

But in a place dedicated to conscious work and psychological development, why are you confused that people take maturity seriously?

Some of you don’t genuinely seem to be interested in the real work here.

You overuse the word. 

Many people here barely have their survival needs met and are talking about how spiritually elevated and mature they are.

The word is overused. Often by people who fail to connect with regular people. Its easy to call them immature. How developed are you if you can't shoot the shit with regular people.

This thread here is about dating. People act like because they're so concious they shouldn't have to play any games. This actually shows a lack of conciousness because you obviously have to give someone what they want which is to be teased, playing with tension and to chase etc.

 

 

[Valach]

2 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

You overuse the word. 

Many people here barely have their survival needs met and are talking about how spiritually elevated and mature they are.

The word is overused. Often by people who fail to connect with regular people. Its easy to call them immature. How developed are you if you can't shoot the shit with regular people.

This thread here is about dating. People act like because they're so concious they shouldn't have to play any games. This actually shows a lack of conciousness because you obviously have to give someone what they want which is to be teased, playing with tension and to chase etc.

 

 

You can go fulfill your survival needs without being manipulative or exploiting others.

[Jirh]

34 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Women are obviously much more valuable to your life than strawberries ever will and much more delicious as well. 

Reminds me of that Elle Fanning strawberry meme 😍🤤

[Jirh]

[AION]

43 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Disliking women is a strong sign of not being good with them and a lack of understanding of social systems. Usually when men dislike women it's because they feel like they are better than them or they're just not getting laid. If you start to understand how the status and dominance hierarchy work and position yourself at the top then women go from adversarial and cold to friendly, collaborative and well very down to fuck you.

I would highly recommend you put some work towards figuring that out instead of having a passive-aggressive relationship with women, what an unfortunate place to choose to experience life from. Women oftentimes serve as a universal mirror to point your blind spots and show you where you are weak and not contributing enoug value to other people. 

Women are obviously much more valuable to your life than strawberries ever will and much more delicious as well. 

Although I agree with your vibe, I'm not sure about your reduction of dating to a status hierachy game. 

[LordFall]

33 minutes ago, Valach said:

What I find interesting is that your framework seems to evaluate the quality of a man's relationship with women primarily by how successful or efficient he is with them.

To me, that actually hints at a subtle form of objectification.

If the health of your relationship with women is measured mainly by how much attraction, sex or cooperation you get from them, then women are still being evaluated largely in terms of what they provide for you. That's still making your internal state dependent on them fulfilling your emotional or physical needs.

I'd almost argue the opposite: the healthier your relationship with women becomes, the less your well-being depends on how successful you are with them.

To me, genuine empathy starts when you see someone as a human being first and a woman second. Their value isn't determined by how attracted they are to you, how much validation they give you, or how efficiently the interaction goes. Those things may improve naturally, but they're no longer the metric by which you evaluate the relationship.

I think evaluating the quality of your relationship someone can be in part measured by it's yield, yes. Some people are satisfied with coping with other humans against reality but I rather team up to accomplish our goals. Having sex with them is one way of doing that but you can start a social circle and do music or business together, up to whatever goals you have. Just being friends with them can lead to resentment in some men though which leads to the friendzone meme.

Also I wanna separate objectification and a value exchange. You need to offer value to others to live unless your parents are gonna support you and you got a trust fund waiting for you. Mastering value arbitrate lets you do so outside of the usual confines of society, social circle game and social media game are forms of that. Objectification is thinking someone is ONLY their value offering or reducing their identity to strict confines. 

28 minutes ago, Jirh said:

Reminds me of that Elle Fanning strawberry meme 😍🤤

Haha she came up when I googled girl strawberry cosplay but it didn't hit the visual I wanted, Gemini got my back with this strawberry waifu though. 

24 minutes ago, AION said:

Although I agree with your vibe, I'm not sure about your reduction of dating to a status hierachy game. 

Bro so much of it is tied directly to social capital and status. It's why the passport bro strategy works because you take the exact same dude in the west and put him in south america/thailand and now the macroeconomics switch in his favor and now he's getting laid left and right.

Pickup and entrepreneurship are the free market tools that we now have to free us to achieve the financial and dating outcomes that were previously only possible in wild dreams. 

[AION]

2 minutes ago, LordFall said:

 

Bro so much of it is tied directly to social capital and status. It's why the passport bro strategy works because you take the exact same dude in the west and put him in south america/thailand and now the macroeconomics switch in his favor and now he's getting laid left and right.

Pickup and entrepreneurship are the free market tools that we now have to free us to achieve the financial and dating outcomes that were previously only possible in wild dreams. 

So you are basically saying girls are prostitutes. That is what you are saying if you reduce it like that. I think SD green girls can be different. I have been out with SD green girls and they have been paying for everyting and I got to fuck for free. Your strategy only is true for third and second world countries. In which country do you live?

[LordFall]

Just now, AION said:

So you are basically saying girls are prostitutes. That is what you are saying if you reduce it like that. I think SD green girls can be different. I have been out with SD green girls and they have been paying for everyting and I got to fuck for free. Your strategy only is true for third and second world countries. In which country do you live?

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the more value you offer the more you get in life and the less bitter you are because you get what you want on your terms without exerting waste energy.

I'm from Canada and I dated some women where they paid for dates but I didn't like that feeling I rather be able to pay for everything and also I do think you get hotter women this way. 

I think every job is transactional and sex workers get to the crux of the issue but a baker similarly sells their body to the marketplace to be able to live. If you have a lot of value you are able to create relationships with a wider type of partners. Economic value is the most universal form of value but there are broke funny guys with good quality relationships. Their lives would probably be better if they made more money but that's for them to figure out. For myself the higher status and more money I get the better relationships with hotter women I've gotten. A lot of debates are quite useless if they don't end in you having a higher quality life as a result.

How is your dating life going? 

 

[Ulax]

42 minutes ago, AION said:

Although I agree with your vibe, I'm not sure about your reduction of dating to a status hierachy game. 

Most of attraction is just implying a life of good social status