Curt Still Lost in Concepts

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

SCIENCE IS HALLUCINATION.

So are you bud

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

So are you bud

Nope. I am absolute.

[Yimpa]

 

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura can you in your book or on the blog create good maps, or graphics. 

A picture does sometimes say more than 7 hours interview. If you just showed curt some pictures and say look at the pictures. Can you now see? 

Some people can understand things only with with pictures. 

 

 

[Magnanimous]

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, but it goes deeper than that.

Enlightenment is not God-Realization even.

Enlightened people do not understand God.

Can you become so deeply enlightened eventually through enlightenment you become God-Realized? 

Not what I'm planning to do but just curious.

[Yimpa]

22 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Can you become so deeply enlightened eventually through enlightenment you become God-Realized? 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/no-self-is-not-god-realization

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, but it goes deeper than that.

Enlightenment is not God-Realization even.

Enlightened people do not understand God.

Of course, it's very clear by this point

What you said was my point, plus the extra nuance of all the facets that come in the process.

Edited 3 hours ago by Davino

[Magnanimous]

Oh also Leo for attaining liberation with no psychedelics, is kriya yoga enough, or should I be doing mindfulness as well?

[amberlight]

I think he dabbled in psychedelics or self inquiry and it made him very uncomfortable, he even called emergency services on himself if i recall correctly its been a while since i listened to his podcast.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

Some people can understand things only with with pictures. 

https://www.threads.com/@leogura1/post/DaDmoBkCkMj?xmt=AQG0OFtuiTJO02KkjYC_TJrfYBKmNgWy3ABxol9EmF9hDSpLBEolYPxeq1fQfhHcKbY2p1U&slof=1

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Can you meow see?

Yup

Edited 3 hours ago by Yimpa

[Carl-Richard]

So the claim is x person is "lost in concepts". Now, merely knowing about a state that puportedly goes beyond concepts (not even having had an "explosive" experience of it directly, but perhaps feeling it is possible through intuition), would that mean you're "lost in concepts" or is your position more "aware of alternatives to concepts but being mostly focused on concepts"? Again, if the lesson is "not being lost in concepts", start by investigating your judgements. Then again, I know Leo likes to judge. It is promoted here.

Contrast it to a physicist who has never heard about the concept of non-duality, who is stuck in his mind and disconnected from his body, and thinks even psychology is woo woo.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura can you in your book or on the blog create good maps, or graphics. 

A picture does sometimes say more than 7 hours interview. If you just showed curt some pictures and say look at the pictures. Can you now see? 

Maybe if I mail Curt my cat t-shirt he will have an instant satori upon opening the package. Especially if I add some microwavable bacon in there.

[AtmanIsBrahman]

It seems like much of the forum hasn't learned the lesson from Leo's Deconstructing Rationalism series. All I'm doing is applying the lesson. It's completely obvious what Curt and academics are doing wrong in terms of Philosophy once you understand it.

The issue isn't even awakening or mystical experience, it's the way of thinking. Our 21st century culture essentially indoctrinates itself into being mentally stunted. Curt's way of thinking makes it impossible for him to understand reality unless he changes.
 

[Leo Gura]

@AtmanIsBrahman Good! At least you learned the lesson.

An analytical mind is too divided to realize the Unity of Existence.

I would love to help Curt if he would just listen to me.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Does Curt not have "any clue" what it is?

The fact that he has had panic attack because of it shows he knows what it is. Panic attack is entering a non dual state.

[Carl-Richard]

41 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

It seems like much of the forum hasn't learned the lesson from Leo's Deconstructing Rationalism series. All I'm doing is applying the lesson. It's completely obvious what Curt and academics are doing wrong in terms of Philosophy once you understand it.

The issue isn't even awakening or mystical experience, it's the way of thinking. Our 21st century culture essentially indoctrinates itself into being mentally stunted. Curt's way of thinking makes it impossible for him to understand reality unless he changes.

Other than mystical experience or awakening, what is it you think Curt is missing?

[Yimpa]

7 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It is interesting how we are trained to talk this way in University.  

I would not know that. With formal education, I only got up to GED. No wonder I am confused when watching this video.

Thankfully, there is higher forms of intelligence beyond rational that is accessible, and I am committed to discovering and sharpening that. That is, transrational.

Edited 1 hour ago by Yimpa

[Yimpa]

13 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

  big picture thinking, openmindedness, nonconformity, etc. — basically what Leo teaches.

 As powerful as Actualized teachings are, I am also being mindful not to get locked or boxed into Actualized/Leo’s framing. It’s tricky.

[Xonas Pitfall]

I think one of the main issues with Actualized.org's teaching is that it aims for such an "ultimate answer" that tempts people to assume that if you crack the philosophy, it means you will also have the practical knowledge or power to bend reality, along with complete understanding. But really, it mainly grants just the broad understanding, which is still very practical, truthful, and "holy."

Science tries to properly map reality and discover ways to bend, twist, or "alchemize" reality into what a self would want.

With Actualized.org, you arrive at: "God/Reality/Truth is the absence of bias, pure unfiltered infinity." Even after you crack that nut, you still don't have answers to many other important questions.

Do we care about saving humans? Do we care about saving humanity, Earth, animals, or insects? What are we okay with killing, utilizing, or molding to our will? What is "Good" Selfishness? Is there even any? Do we just fully give into Reality? Even if all reality is made of "infinities," what are the actual practical, relative structures and stable patterns of reality that we can use? 

If reality can become anything it can possibly be, moving ever closer to God, then what should we actually strive for? Should we try to make humanity as close to God as possible? Should we make room for alien species or entirely new forms of intelligence if they more closely resemble God? By what standard do we determine the most optimal direction for reality to evolve? Even if free will doesn't ultimately exist, we still have to make choices every day. So what should guide those choices?

I agree that if people fully knew and understood God, we would probably have a much more advanced science, and it would answer many of these questions. But there are still so many problems that scientists, humanity, and governments would have to solve afterward.

I think Curt might also be tempted by these kinds of questions himself.

Leo seems to have carved out the niche of God and Truth, without caring much about utility or how to practically implement that understanding into science. Which, again, is completely fine, and it's a very necessary niche. But I can't say with confidence that Curt's, or scientists' in general, only purpose is to understand God. Many of them also want to understand the relative structures of reality and how that understanding can help us practically in this world. That is equally valuable.

These are all distinct and much-needed niches. It's just important to understand the purpose of each.