How do NDEs fit into Leo's framework?

[cistanche_enjoyer]

I've watched and read several reports of NDEs, and one thing they all have in common, is that the person dying becomes what I can best describe as a "point of awareness with 360 degrees vision" that can move anywhere in space and time and other dimensions.

Now, in Leo's framework and based on some of his videos I watched, there is either this limited ego self; or the Real Self, Infinite Consciousness. But what about this point of awareness that people talk about in NDEs? It seems like something in between. Is there like an intermediary step between ego consciousness and full-on God consciousness? Could we call it a soul? What is it really?

[Hojo]

@cistanche_enjoyer Where your head is is the illusion ego. When you detach from it you realize that reality is happening inside of a conciousness thats outside of the body in reality. So if you close your eyes right now and imagine something and open your eyes and look at reality, both those things are happening in the same spot. So the black space (ego) goes away and you realize you are the room. The room isnt thinking about anything.

You are the room making up a black space and talking to itself.

Like all that exists is a curtain of reality and you are that curtain making up that its the audience.

Edited Tuesday at 07:45 PM by Hojo

[Michal__]

I happen to have a friend who's very awake, Buddha/Jesus like, who experienced all of that and he says it depends on your level of awakening & baseline consciousness so yeah, NDEs are true but for the Buddhas and Jesuses of the world it's different - a kind of formless immortality.

I have experienced thousands of OBEs myself and I still have no direct experience of what happens after death - NDEs are different.

[cistanche_enjoyer]

13 minutes ago, Michal__ said:

I happen to have a friend who's very awake, Buddha/Jesus like, who experienced all of that and he says it depends on your level of awakening & baseline consciousness so yeah, NDEs are true but for the Buddhas and Jesuses of the world it's different - a kind of formless immortality.

I have experienced thousands of OBEs myself and I still have no direct experience of what happens after death - NDEs are different.

Thanks for sharing! Where are you and your friend from?

By the way another thing that's almost always present in NDE reports is a deep sense of immense, universal Love. This is what makes me believe that the reports are real, as I had myself very profound awakenings to Infinite Love. I have not yet experienced formless awarness that can move through space and time though.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

the person dying becomes what I can best describe as a "point of awareness with 360 degrees vision" that can move anywhere in space and time and other dimensions.

That is God.

As I have said, death is God.

[Clarence]

@Leo Gura Have you ever read or listened to testimonies of people who've had near-death experiences?

[cistanche_enjoyer]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is God.

Based on the NDE reports, that “point of awareness” seems to still have attachments - thinking about loved ones or family is a common theme. 

Isn’t God fully unbiased and without attachments? Why would God think about that?

[LordFall]

Bro you aren't really thinking about it. If you accept that you are God and thus infinity then there are infinite possibilities possible. Think about it INFINITE POSSIBILITIES. You being a floating POV is like a very limited version of infinite possibilities. 

4 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Based on the NDE reports, that “point of awareness” seems to still have attachments - thinking about loved ones or family is a common theme. 

Isn’t God fully unbiased and without attachments? Why would God think about that?

God has access to all attachments and all the bias in the world. Why would spending a few hours floating as an attached consciousness invalidate that? 

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Clarence said:

@Leo Gura Have you ever read or listened to testimonies of people who've had near-death experiences?

A bit.

5 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Based on the NDE reports, that “point of awareness” seems to still have attachments - thinking about loved ones or family is a common theme. 

Then it wasn't full death. Hence "near" death experience.

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Isn’t God fully unbiased and without attachments? Why would God think about that?

In its purest formless state. But NDEs are not that pure or formless.

God-Realization is more pure and profound than an NDE. That's why we are not chasing after NDEs.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Based on the NDE reports, that “point of awareness” seems to still have attachments - thinking about loved ones or family is a common theme. 

Isn’t God fully unbiased and without attachments? Why would God think about that?

Nobody knows the structure of reality. Maybe there are other dimensions, conscious reincarnation, maybe no. I have the feeling that what I do in this life have an reverberation, and what I have to do is being absolutely aligned with my nature, totally integral. I feel this game as a serious one, with serious consequences. But maybe I'm absolutely wrong.

[LordFall]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Nobody knows the structure of reality. Maybe there are other dimensions, conscious reincarnation, maybe no. I have the feeling that what I do in this life have an reverberation, and what I have to do is being absolutely aligned with my nature, totally integral. I feel this game as a serious one, with serious consequences. But maybe I'm absolutely wrong.

Well the consequences make the game real otherwise you're just in a dream like you have at night. Continuity is what consequences are made of. If you kill someone and everybody forgets tomorrow then it can still be a big deal but you don't face pain as a result so you won't treat it seriously. Pain is basically the graphics of real life everything else outside of it you can ignore. 

Even substance like Leo talked about seems to be an illusion. I've had dreams where I touch the wall and it feels quite real. Real life is the only one with continuous identifiable pain though!