I have never related to "fear of death"

[Eskilon]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Frankly, I don't know if any human alive has acheived that.

I thought you achieved absolute invincibility awakening

[Monster Energy]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is possible to not fear a grizzly bear for real, but a child has not acheived that.

Frankly, I don't know if any human alive has acheived that.

I don’t think that’s possible. Fear happens automatically and isn’t under conscious control. 

 

[Hojo]

@Monster Energy it can be. When you overcome fear there is a buffer before you freak out. You can conciously witness what's happening and stop it from taking over your body.

You dont overcome it really you can control it. It will come and you physically stop the process happening in your mind. You go i see you and you are a lie.

If I were to have a panic attack today I would see it happening in real time and just say no. Before my body would physically move by itself in fight or flight mode.

Its sort of like everytime you get scared from fear its a jumpscare happening and you can instantly witness what's happening is just a jumpscare and stop the man from scaring you before he jumps out.

And you can overcome it we have seen a man light himself on fire and sit there not moving while his body melts. He was obviously scared. 

There will be a time in life when you will know this is the moment! Wether you are ready or not.

A panic attack from fear of death is like your body is saying this is the moment! Over and over again.

Its the same feeling of going to doctor and the doctor saying you are going to die right now! Your body automatically panics and say oh no this is the moment! If you are smart you do it before it happens alot.

The fear of death is the fear of the moment you are going to die essentially.

Edited 23 hours ago by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

I thought you achieved absolute invincibility awakening

I never claimed that I am immune to fear or negative emotions.

I have a very deep understanding of God, but that doesn't grant me special immunity from horrific things. I have to avoid grizzly bears just like everyone else.

Just because I know a grizzly bear is God does not mean I am cool with him biting me.

1 hour ago, Monster Energy said:

I don’t think that’s possible. Fear happens automatically and isn’t under conscious control.

Yogis and monks claim otherwise.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

@Leo Gura But you can see that you arent overcoming the fear of the grizzly bear. There is no fear coming from the grizzly bear its fear that you are scared of, even when the grizzly bear is biting you fear has nothing to do with that. The pain of getting bit, and fear, are seperate things and dont really have anything to do with eachother.

Pain and fear are not linked the fear is coming from something else.

So I would say you arent actually scared of getting hurt or bit or eaten, its something else.

You can run from a bear and it not be out of fear but intelligence of not subjecting yourself to a negative state for no reason. Maybe not run.

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you actually imagine the process of death, it is terrifying.

People who don't fear death have never seriously imagined what it is, how serious it is.

Fools often fear the least and end up getting themselves killed.

To properly fear something you first have to know what it is.

Death is when youre dead, the process of dying is a different thing (how I think of it)

Edited 17 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Leo Gura]

58 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Death is when youre dead, the process of dying is a different thing (how I think of it)

Yes, however, in practice you can't really separate them. You can't die without going through some kind of process to get there. The process could be quick or slow, but there is some kind of process which will be unpleasant and probably horrifying.

If anything, you guys underestimate how horrifying death will be. You are treating it way too abstractly, from the comfort of your armchair.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

have a very deep understanding of God, but that doesn't grant me special immunity from horrific things. I have to avoid grizzly bears just like everyone else.

Just because I know a grizzly bear is God does not mean I am cool with him biting me.

Maybe you should watch the documentary grizzly man and tell to the grizzly: I love you, I love you, 

[Breakingthewall]

22 hours ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

It never made sense to me, I've never felt scared to die. When I see people struggling and doing inner work to get past their fear of death, I just feel surprised, like looking at someone who has phobia of something regular. 

 

22 hours ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

 

Fear to death is the impossibility for the ego to contemplate it's disappearance. Really the ego should really fear, for example, going to prison for 30 years, much more than death, since death is the absence of suffering for the ego.

As a Greek philosopher once said, when I am, death is not; when death is, I am not, so why fear it? But the reality is that the ego will yell as a rat, death is hell for the ego, it's the supreme horror.  The ego will see better hell than disappearance 

Edited 14 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you actually imagine the process of death, it is terrifying.

People who don't fear death have never seriously imagined what it is, how serious it is.

Fools often fear the least and end up getting themselves killed.

To properly fear something you first have to know what it is.

People don't fear death because they can't really contemplate it. If you really contemplate it, you realize that life is an horrible trap, then you get seriously in spirituality. 

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, however, in practice you can't really separate them. You can't die without going through some kind of process to get there. The process could be quick or slow, but there is some kind of process which will be unpleasant and probably horrifying.

If anything, you guys underestimate how horrifying death will be. You are treating it way too abstractly, from the comfort of your armchair.

But thats not the impression I get from people talking about their fear of death (people in general). They are talking about this "forever nothingness" that they imagine death to be, to me it doesn't sound like they are particularly focused on the process of dying but just the idea of it all being gone one day is the primary fear. They are attached to their life and it's unsettling to think how it will all end one day. And that's so deceptive to me, it makes zero sense, it's like fearing going to sleep at night (I saw a girl online who had that too).

People should be afraid of potential  "medieval torture reincarnations" not "forever deep sleep" 

Edited 12 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Natasha Tori Maru]

21 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But thats not the impression I get from people talking about their fear of death (people in general). They are talking about this "forever nothingness" that they imagine death to be, to me it doesn't sound like they are particularly focused on the process of dying but just the idea of it all being gone one day is the primary fear. They are attached to their life and it's unsettling to think how it will all end one day. And that's so deceptive to me, it makes zero sense, it's like fearing going to sleep at night (I saw a girl online who had that too).

People should be afraid of potential  "medieval torture reincarnations" not "forever deep sleep" 

My sister is afraid of death and describes it as 'when you die, it all goes black. There's nothing. It just stops. I'm afraid of that'.

Is this similar to what you describe? 

[Jehovah increases]

There are states of death that are so horrific, so disturbing, you don't ever want to go through them, and these are just when you are on psychedelics, but they are so believable that you can not tell the difference. With that said, I still fear it.

Edited 14 minutes ago by Jehovah increases

[Hojo]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

My sister is afraid of death and describes it as 'when you die, it all goes black. There's nothing. It just stops. I'm afraid of that'.

Is this similar to what you describe? 

Like that but thats what you are. There is something experiencing the nothing. To even know what nothing is is proof thats what it is. Nothing dosent exist in physical reality. To understand what nothingness entails by your imagination is knowing God. Making these correlations in my logic awakened me.

Nothing isnt real in physical reality you shouldnt even be able to imagine it. Thats because you are nothing you are using yourself to relate to the world.

Tell your sister she is scared of herself.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Fear to death is the impossibility for the ego to contemplate it's disappearance. Really the ego should really fear, for example, going to prison for 30 years, much more than death, since death is the absence of suffering for the ego.

As a Greek philosopher once said, when I am, death is not; when death is, I am not, so why fear it? But the reality is that the ego will yell as a rat, death is hell for the ego, it's the supreme horror.  The ego will see better hell than disappearance 

That can give the ego more power. It can drive the person mad in prison. For death ego is dead. Its the end of itself and it knows what that means. It will cry in a void of nothing with no reactions.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

My sister is afraid of death and describes it as 'when you die, it all goes black. There's nothing. It just stops. I'm afraid of that'.

Is this similar to what you describe? 

Yes thats what I mean. And I think it is a false fear in the way that, if you assume it would be the same as deep sleep, then you can't fear it because the fear would be either you're unsettled by the idea of your current life coming to an end, or the mind is just good at imagination, but even the most vague imagination doesn't represent the "nothingness" itself..

Edited 3 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Hojo]

When you reach the void of yourself you will find you are there but you cant think hear feel touch smell all you can do is express how you feel about yourself. You will be there as it and you will have awareness. The awareness dosent go away in deep sleep you are just not moving it. You can only not move it for a little while and you wake up and start dreaming again. Imagine you wake up in nothingness and you can do anything but you are there. You can still see and you will see yourself.

You can never look away from yourself unless you are looking at the dream, and even the dream is a metaphysical representaion of this nothing. Close your eyes you see yourself and you know youve been there the entire time the dream has been happening. When you go into deep sleep its just you looking at yourself unaware.

You can fear it because you will be aware! Now when you go to sleep you are unaware of it you are calling it sleeping and pretending to not exist. God cannot pretend to not exist. You will still desire and want and need things.

Like a black hole ate a galaxy and there was no more information to suck up but its still hungry for matter. It just starts sucking in an empty vaccum. Receiving no information but wanting it and desiring information. Any information even the bad stuff it will take.

If a person is anything its like an empty hole.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[cetus]

At death you may vanish without a trace into non-existence. But the seed of awareness (offspring) that was left will continue on. 

Edited 1 hour ago by cetus

[cetus]

13 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

As a Greek philosopher once said, when I am, death is not; when death is, I am not,

That's a good one.  Only in the absence of the "I Am" is there death.

[Leo Gura]

You are all so brave, contemplating death in the abstract, from behind your keyboard.

When actual death comes nipping at your heels like a crocodile, you will see how different you feel.

Edited 10 minutes ago by Leo Gura