I have never related to "fear of death"

[Eskilon]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Frankly, I don't know if any human alive has acheived that.

I thought you achieved absolute invincibility awakening

[Monster Energy]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is possible to not fear a grizzly bear for real, but a child has not acheived that.

Frankly, I don't know if any human alive has acheived that.

I don’t think that’s possible. Fear happens automatically and isn’t under conscious control. 

 

[Hojo]

@Monster Energy it can be. When you overcome fear there is a buffer before you freak out. You can conciously witness what's happening and stop it from taking over your body.

You dont overcome it really you can control it. It will come and you physically stop the process happening in your mind. You go i see you and you are a lie.

If I were to have a panic attack today I would see it happening in real time and just say no. Before my body would physically move by itself in fight or flight mode.

Its sort of like everytime you get scared from fear its a jumpscare happening and you can instantly witness what's happening is just a jumpscare and stop the man from scaring you before he jumps out.

And you can overcome it we have seen a man light himself on fire and sit there not moving while his body melts. He was obviously scared. 

There will be a time in life when you will know this is the moment! Wether you are ready or not.

A panic attack from fear of death is like your body is saying this is the moment! Over and over again.

Its the same feeling of going to doctor and the doctor saying you are going to die right now! Your body automatically panics and say oh no this is the moment! If you are smart you do it before it happens alot.

The fear of death is the fear of the moment you are going to die essentially.

Edited 10 hours ago by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

I thought you achieved absolute invincibility awakening

I never claimed that I am immune to fear or negative emotions.

I have a very deep understanding of God, but that doesn't grant me special immunity from horrific things. I have to avoid grizzly bears just like everyone else.

Just because I know a grizzly bear is God does not mean I am cool with him biting me.

1 hour ago, Monster Energy said:

I don’t think that’s possible. Fear happens automatically and isn’t under conscious control.

Yogis and monks claim otherwise.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

@Leo Gura But you can see that you arent overcoming the fear of the grizzly bear. There is no fear coming from the grizzly bear its fear that you are scared of, even when the grizzly bear is biting you fear has nothing to do with that. The pain of getting bit, and fear, are seperate things and dont really have anything to do with eachother.

Pain and fear are not linked the fear is coming from something else.

So I would say you arent actually scared of getting hurt or bit or eaten, its something else.

You can run from a bear and it not be out of fear but intelligence of not subjecting yourself to a negative state for no reason. Maybe not run.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you actually imagine the process of death, it is terrifying.

People who don't fear death have never seriously imagined what it is, how serious it is.

Fools often fear the least and end up getting themselves killed.

To properly fear something you first have to know what it is.

Death is when youre dead, the process of dying is a different thing (how I think of it)

Edited 4 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Leo Gura]

58 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Death is when youre dead, the process of dying is a different thing (how I think of it)

Yes, however, in practice you can't really separate them. You can't die without going through some kind of process to get there. The process could be quick or slow, but there is some kind of process which will be unpleasant and probably horrifying.

If anything, you guys underestimate how horrifying death will be. You are treating it way too abstractly, from the comfort of your armchair.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

have a very deep understanding of God, but that doesn't grant me special immunity from horrific things. I have to avoid grizzly bears just like everyone else.

Just because I know a grizzly bear is God does not mean I am cool with him biting me.

Maybe you should watch the documentary grizzly man and tell to the grizzly: I love you, I love you, 

[Breakingthewall]

22 hours ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

It never made sense to me, I've never felt scared to die. When I see people struggling and doing inner work to get past their fear of death, I just feel surprised, like looking at someone who has phobia of something regular. 

 

22 hours ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

 

Fear to death is the impossibility for the ego to contemplate it's disappearance. Really the ego should really fear, for example, going to prison for 30 years, much more than death, since death is the absence of suffering for the ego.

As a Greek philosopher once said, when I am, death is not; when death is, I am not, so why fear it? But the reality is that the ego will yell as a rat, death is hell for the ego, it's the supreme horror.  The ego will see better hell than disappearance 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you actually imagine the process of death, it is terrifying.

People who don't fear death have never seriously imagined what it is, how serious it is.

Fools often fear the least and end up getting themselves killed.

To properly fear something you first have to know what it is.

People don't fear death because they can't really contemplate it. If you really contemplate it, you realize that life is an horrible trap, then you get seriously in spirituality.