Leo's perspective on suicide?

[cetus]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Then again I bring you back to why did he pull the Solpsism video? 

I say it was because there was just too much truth being spoken for some to handle. 

Edited 3 hours ago by cetus

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Good point. I wasn't around during that time so IDK the dynamics around it. 

Leo's a very young teacher relatively speaking.  And he came up on YouTube.  The forum was a place he could just be himself.   I'm pretty sure he's working on himself and we will see some changes going forward. And yes I can say this because i am like 20 years older than almost all of you here at 55.  I just have a baby face.  And a bit more grey than that pic which I need to update.  I don't think im older than @cetus though

 

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[Someone here]

22 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Then again I bring you back to why did he pull the Solpsism video? 

 

[Joshe]

41 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes..If you want to know what death entails the only way is to actually seek what death entails. So what’s your issue? Did Leo hit a nerve because he roasted your worldview with an uncomfortable truth?

This has nothing to do with my personal metaphysical views or feelings. I'm making a logical argument for harm reduction in a community that often deals with suicidal desire. I believe rhetoric around death and suicide in such a community should be highly controlled. And I believe that anything that even hints of suicide permission shouldn't be allowed, which is why I said the default position should be "it's always bad" or it shouldn't be spoken of at all. I'm not trying to optimize for what is philosophically true. I believe some suffering suicidal humans going through a rough patch are better off not having access to thousands of pages of text that glorify death, because I think that leads to more harm than good. If it led to more good than harm, I'd be for it. 

I'd have a different opinion if this community wasn't filled with suicidal people. If you found a way to keep all suicidal people out and if your metaphysical discussions involving showing interest in death were kept behind a wall, where only mentally healthy members could view it, I think it's totally fine to discuss whatever you want. But of course that's not possible and you don't want to cut suicidal people out of your community. So the only way to handle it is to moderate it. 

There's a reason why WHO and every major news organization has strict protocols around how they report on suicide. They never put it on the front page of a newspaper because if you do that, you increase suicide rates. It's called the Werther effect. They follow protocols like this: 

They don't avoid this shit because they're "woke". They do it because otherwise, they'd contribute to suicide and suffering. 

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[Joshe]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And yes I can say this because i am like 20 years older than almost all of you here at 55.  I just have a baby face.  And a bit more grey than that pic which I need to update.

Damn brah, I thought you were my age. I'm 40. Even though I don't act like, lol. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Joshe

[cetus]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't think im older than @cetus though

@Inliytened1@Joshe I'm in my second childhood and loving it. Older than dirt and just as smart.

 

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

I have listened to it.  And this is the point.   He specifically says how blunt he was being in the video.  The point is hammered home at minute 6:30

[Someone here]

@Inliytened1 That was published on his blog soon after he took down the video . Do you follow his blog  ? A lot of deep Material there .

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Inliytened1 That was published on his blog soon after he took down the video . Do you follow his blog  ? A lot of deep Material there .

I have no interest in his blog.  Not direct enough. 

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[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, cetus said:

@Inliytened1@Joshe I'm in my second childhood and loving it. Older than dirt and just as smart.

 

Dinosaur.. JK.  You gave me my first warning before I became a mod.  Love you man and keep up the good work but more importantly health and happiness.  Wishing you all of it.

 

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[Inliytened1]

35 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Damn brah, I thought you were my age. I'm 40. Even though I don't act like, lol. 

I don't reveal it much.  You do act like it but you have a young persona. Keep that.

Edited 2 hours ago by Inliytened1

[cetus]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Dinosaur.. JK.  You gave me my first warning before I became a mod.  Love you man and keep up the good work but more importantly health and happiness.  Wishing you all of it.

 

Thanks man. Best wishes to you too. Just saying because you're talking about age difference. Between the ages of say 40 and 56 it's all pretty much all the same extension of your 20's and 30's. But once you start hitting 60 and beyond your whole perspective reverses now that you're closer to death than you are to your birth. You begin to look at your life from the top down instead of the bottom up. A time of reflection.

[Yimpa]

I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again: ketamine done under medical supervision is a legitimate way to wake someone up from their nightmare of wanting to die from suicide. One trip isn’t enough, you need to do it a handful of times. I died on Ketamine multiple times and realized myself as God. I will never, ever forget those experiences. It saved me and made me realize how powerful I really am.

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