Let’s Take Looksmaxxing Seriously

[ladelle]

Clavicular in Paris 😁 @Schizophoniahttps://vm.tiktok.com/ZNR3WWQhp/

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, ladelle said:

Clavicular in Paris 😁 @Schizophoniahttps://vm.tiktok.com/ZNR3WWQhp/

lol

i saw a video where he became disapointed - because he had no results - and say something like i'm not a pick up artist i'm just a autist.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

17 hours ago, Basman said:

I remember going out once and this girl with a hunchback was aggressively approaching guys, like going up and hugging their arm and shit, and they would just ignoring her awkwardly. They would freeze like in Jurassic Park. Brutal stuff. You have to feel sorry for someone like that. 

Women like to troll sometimes when it comes to this. But if she was really really ugly, then it's believable

[CosmicExplorer]

Connor took looksmaxing seriously

 

[Leo Gura]

Connor is a perfect example of what I mean by survival. How survival conflates with spirituality.

Edited Saturday at 05:48 PM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Honestly, if you advocate for looksmaxxing like it's genuinely going to be a "thing" you are suffering from a cognitive distortion. It's your algorithm. 

It's marketing "look at this thing that is wrong, I have the solution". Supply and demand.

Touch grass.

This shit isn't a thing. 

Cognitive. Distortion.

[Opulence]

But Connor really put a lot of effort into himself. He should get the credit for that.

 

[Schizophonia]

When you understand that people are just talking to themselves you understand why most spiritual people end up, at best, having an orange lifestyle.

[LordFall]

@Hojo Here is a good reel showcasing the massive difference softmaxxing can make

https://www.instagram.com/p/DZV54yPxtMB/

It's really night and day. It's silly to underestimate the massive different in results this will have on someone's life. 3-5 points depending on the guy 

You can go from a 4/10 that only gets attention from obese women/divorced single moms with 3 kids to a 8-9 chad that picks up women everywhere he goes. 

Edited Monday at 06:33 PM by LordFall

[bazera]

Some healthy takes on looksmaxxing

[Lyubov]

On 6/20/2026 at 1:42 AM, Leo Gura said:

Pickup is way healtheir than looksmaxxing. Even caring about your looks is already terrible inner game.

Classic old school pickup mindset. This is Owen 101. I come from this generation, The Game / Mystery Method, so I remember back then there was almost zero emphasis on looks except for the occasional coach brining guys out to the mall to replace their rags. Common sense type shit. To be honest, I want to almost say that what old school pick up gets right is that it makes you so delusional that you form such a thick face that you end up persevering towards victory becoming attractive in the process. A thick face is always incredibly valuable in life and in a sense makes life much more enjoyable. The looksmaxing shite I think just has a very weak and sad energy to it somehow poisoned by social media and the arbitrary trends of instagram. Instead of outward socializing it puts you more-so focused just on your looks hoping that is enough for outward approval that you seek. I think there is some positives to it though because I've seen what doors open when you have exceptionally good looks. If i was to be 20 and single in 2026, I think both Owen style pick up but also maximizing in the gym, fashion and finances would be the approach. All this shit doesn't need silly labels. It is no secret if you have social skills, physical health and money and you optimize your life to maximize all of these which is what everyone that's into self improvement is trying to do that you will meet women. It doesn't need to become an autistic meme.

Edited 3 hours ago by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

what old school pick up gets right is that it makes you so delusional that you form such a thick face that you end up persevering towards victory becoming attractive in the process.

Yes, exactly.

The gain in looks from looksmaxxing is not worth the hit your inner game will take from obessing over looks so much. The more you believe looks matter, the weaker your inner game will become, the more insecure you will feel around girls.

You want such a rock solid inner game that you could be fat, bald, and dressed in an unwashed month old t-shirt and you can still walk up to a girl and not bat an eye or think any less of yourself.

It is better to be delusionally confident than a looksmaxxer.

The best thing Owen did was emphasize inner game so much. That is the correct principle. A real man should not be constantly worrying about how he looks. That's a womanly behavior. A real man functions the same no matter how he looks. The only way to acheive that is by not caring how you look. Looksmaxxing is poison for inner game. Which is why I loathe it.

If you think you need surgery and hormones to get girls, I feel sorry for you. That is pathetic and weak. Such a man-child does not deserve a good woman.

Grooming and dress is enough.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

I also noticed a correlation between the deeper inner game thick face approach and deeper development in life. I've seen the thick face approach lead to guys who actually seem to have matured and developed more as men and people all around, became more spiritual, which ultimately is the point of life. There are guys like James Marshell and even Owen with his own traps are much more developed than any looksmaxer school of thought. I think it's because thick face delusion in a sense is more aligned with the core than looks maxing. Aligning with "I'm great, I can achieve anything" sets you off on a trajectory that compounds from having not aligned with fears and is far more living truthfully than "I hope if I inject this people will like me." I think looksmaxing does take some ownership and responsibility back, it is def better than just sitting around getting fat watching kick/twitch streams and donating to looksmaxers, but the trajectory for looksmaxing is fundamentally flawed, sometimes conflated with good advice like going to the gym. There even is a phrase "gymcels." The inner game approach has it's flaws too but it's much more likely to make you spiritual in the long run. All these looksmaxers will fuck themselves up and I will double down on christianity and put crosses and bible versus in their profiles. You seldomly saw that with thick faced pick up where it was about building inner resilience 

[Valach]

1 minute ago, Lyubov said:

I also noticed a correlation between the deeper inner game thick face approach and deeper development in life. I've seen the thick face approach lead to guys who actually seem to have matured and developed more as men and people all around, became more spiritual, which ultimately is the point of life. There are guys like James Marshell and even Owen with his own traps are much more developed than any looksmaxer school of thought. I think it's because thick face delusion in a sense is more aligned with the core than looks maxing. Aligning with "I'm great, I can achieve anything" sets you off on a trajectory that compounds from having not aligned with fears and is far more living truthfully than "I hope if I inject this people will like me." I think looksmaxing does take some ownership and responsibility back, it is def better than just sitting around getting fat watching kick/twitch streams and donating to looksmaxers, but the trajectory for looksmaxing is fundamentally flawed, sometimes conflated with good advice like going to the gym. There even is a phrase "gymcels." The inner game approach has it's flaws too but it's much more likely to make you spiritual in the long run. All these looksmaxers will fuck themselves up and I will double down on christianity and put crosses and bible versus in their profiles. You seldomly saw that with thick faced pick up where it was about building inner resilience 

Really? Can you expand on the thick face approach? In my experience it was actually the on surface "softer" guys who were more in touch with their emotions who evolved past the pickup phase eventually. At least from what I saw in the PUA community I was and still partially am in.

[Lyubov]

15 minutes ago, Valach said:

Really? Can you expand on the thick face approach? In my experience it was actually the on surface "softer" guys who were more in touch with their emotions who evolved past the pickup phase eventually. At least from what I saw in the PUA community I was and still partially am in.

Thick face is not having a care in the world what other people think of you including most importantly your own doubts about yourself. A person who has cultivated this quality will create a positive image of himself regardless of what others think. It is a common element found in a lot of the earlier pick up artist work and stuff on self help and public speaking. You can be a ruthless thick face guy and also be very in touch with your emotions and actually soften, even Owen has softened quite a bit. There is some wisdom in a good bit of what he says. I think the fundamental element that was taught was it was always about bringing you back to deeper self reflection and fundamentally working where life is arising from. What is the root of it all. You are being told you are valuable as you are, you are capable as you are, you can do great things, now go out and approach. That fundamental element of "being enough" sets you off on a far more positive trajectory than "you are absolutely shit now and need to change your physical body." Now I'm not saying the old school pick up guys didn't have their own baggage or didn't lead to traps as well, but I see the trajectory of the old school Owen approach setting you up far better in life than trying to just optimize the outside because 1) the outside is arbitrary and always changing 2) it shuts you off from becoming more conscious of where you create from. 
 

Edited 1 hour ago by Lyubov

[Valach]

1 minute ago, Lyubov said:

Thick face is not having a care in the world what other people think of you including most importantly your own doubts about yourself. A person who has cultivated this quality will create a positive image of himself regardless of what others think. It is a common element found in a lot of the earlier pick up artist work and stuff on self help and public speaking. You can be a ruthless thick face guy and also be very in touch with your emotions and actually soften, even Owen has softened quite a bit. There is some wisdom in a good bit of what he says. I think the fundamental element that was taught was it was always about bringing you back to deeper self reflection and fundamentally working where life is arising from. What is the root of it all. You are being told you are valuable as you are, you are capable as you are, you can do great things, now go out and approach. That fundamental element of "being enough" sets you off on a far more positive trajectory than "you are absolutely shit now and need to change all this shit so people will perceive you a certain way." Now I'm not saying the old school pick up guys didn't have their own baggage or didn't lead to traps as well, but I see the trajectory of the old school Owen approach setting you up far better in life than trying to just optimize the outside because 1) the outside is arbitrary and always changing 2) it shuts you off from becoming more conscious of where you create from. 
 

Okay, if you compare them to non-pickup guys like looksmaxxers, then I agree.

[AtmanIsBrahman]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It is better to be delusionally confident than a looksmaxxer.

The best thing Owen did was emphasize inner game so much. That is the correct principle. A real man should not be constantly worrying about how he looks. That's a womanly behavior. A real man functions the same no matter how he looks. The only way to acheive that is by not caring how you look. Looksmaxxing is poison for inner game. Which is why I loathe it.

Looksmaxxing doesn’t have to affect your inner game at all.

Physical attraction is something that can’t be faked with game. Women care about physical appearance too, not just men, so why not improve it? This strikes me as ideology.

Honestly, I doubt that Owen Cook or a lot of these people can actually consistently attract women when the cameras are off. It’s physically almost impossible for a woman to be attracted to Owen Cook.

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

It’s physically almost impossible for a woman to be attracted to Owen Cook.

Lol.

Sounds like your limiting belief.

Do not underestimate the power of inner game.

I promise you Owen will get more laid in his life than Clav. I would not even bet Clav is alive in 10 years.

If a hot girl came to Clav begging to sleep with him, his terrible game would likely screw it up.

Clav has negative charisma. His personality is revolting to a decent woman. I don't know how any serious man can admire Clav. Owen is admirable because of how hard he works and how developed his mind and persona is.

Next to Clav, Owen is Jesus. Lol.

Edited 40 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Looksmaxxing doesn’t have to affect your inner game at all.

No way that is true.

It reeks of insecurity.