The dumbest collective shit test

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, integral said:

Are you doing any self development work?

I unravel the mysteries of the universe and human psychology by masturbating at 3 a.m. 
 

More seriously things are generally going well except social relationships.

Edited 17 hours ago by Schizophonia

[LordFall]

@integral You’re misrepresenting my points to argue against a position I don’t hold. I never said having a vision for society is forbidden, nor did I say life should only be about chasing millions and models.

My point is simple: true leadership and high consciousness don’t sit on the sidelines venting about OnlyFans models under the guise of "societal integrity." That's just jadedness and victim mindset masquerading as spirituality. When a framework teaches you to view the average human being as a "profound waste of time" who "says absolutely nothing," it’s not an evolution of consciousness—it’s an ego defence mechanism designed to protect you from the discomfort of participating in reality. Someone who understands the world doesn't retreat because the world is messy; they build systems to elevate it.

I feel like I'm harsher than I really mean to be Integral it's all love bro but I feel like your mindset is quite off on this one. 

@Schizophonia I love the honesty here, it's good to be able to verbalize your hangups. Women want to have sex with men, that's how 300 000 years evolution got us to where we are. Why its easier or harder depending on different guys is a function of the market ,it's not really a personal thing against you. Meaning that you can use the strategies I've mentionned to be the same guy but paint yourself in a much more attractive light. To the point where a girl will fantasize about blowing you. Multiple of them even. 

You don't need to be a god for a woman to desire you. You need to work on social skills, lead with good energy, and share a fun, value filled space with them and then giving you pleasure becomes just as fun for them as it is for you. Women are usually even more sexual than men.

From me asking AI, Toulouse is a student city with a massive creative scene. Don't worry about your friends not being motivated—join the game global group for Toulouse. It's only got 14 people right now but maybe 2-3 guys will be down to go out. Start small, look into local creative meetups, improv, or sports that you'd like, and start treating your neurotic brain as a video game to level up in. 

That's the part where treating dating like a video game makes sense. Not the dating itself part but levelling up your life and then it becomes less personal and less anxiety inducing. Baby steps until you're where you wanna be frero. 

https://www.gameglobal.net/groups/

 

Edited 16 hours ago by LordFall

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, LordFall said:

Someone who understands the world doesn't retreat because the world is messy; they build systems to elevate it.

🔥

[integral]

52 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You’re misrepresenting my points to argue against a position I don’t hold. I never said having a vision for society is forbidden, nor did I say life should only be about chasing millions and models.

My point is simple: true leadership and high consciousness don’t sit on the sidelines venting about OnlyFans models under the guise of "societal integrity." That's just jadedness and victim mindset masquerading as spirituality. When a framework teaches you to view the average human being as a "profound waste of time" who "says absolutely nothing," it’s not an evolution of consciousness—it’s an ego defence mechanism designed to protect you from the discomfort of participating in reality. Someone who understands the world doesn't retreat because the world is messy; they build systems to elevate it.

I feel like I'm harsher than I really mean to be Integral it's all love bro but I feel like your mindset is quite off on this one. 

"true leadership and high consciousness don’t sit on the sidelines venting about OnlyFans models under the guise of "societal integrity." That's just jadedness and victim mindset masquerading as spirituality."
-> okay so in this sentence your doing this "Criticism that doesn't serve your achievement is victim mindset / self-limiting"

"When a framework teaches you to view the average human being as a "profound waste of time" who "says absolutely nothing," it’s not an evolution of consciousness—it’s an ego defence mechanism designed to protect you from the discomfort of participating in reality."
-> Again you're doing the exact same thing where you think everything has to do with creating the best mindset to then participate in reality at the highest level.

Nothing I said was about what is positive or negative as a mindset, it is simply what is happening in reality. The extrovert gets energy when they socialize, the introvert gets drained.

Read this: 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/understanding-solitude

Edited 15 hours ago by integral

[LordFall]

Yes introverts need alone time to recharge. Doesn't mean you should forego socialization and then claim superior development from that. It's coping as I've said already. Why it's victim mindset is you're saying that the world lacks integrity and instead of being part of the change you're claiming that retreating in solitude is somehow the superior strategy here. You can't claim weakness and present it as a strength that's insanity.

I'm very familiar with Leo's point of view on this and just read the post again. Leo himself claims that this is just his POV and I'll claim myself that it's a reaction to being put in a complicated system that your brain doesn't understand how to navigate and thus is exhausting. I've already explained how you can curate your own environments that are both more fun and meaningful to navigate than a nightclub and also bring up people to your level. That's the definition of leadership. 

You're literally said that people are a profound waste of time. What you should do is introspect on how you came to that conclusion and if it's grounded in reality or just your limited perspective of it. People have limitless potential. 

High consciousness isn't a lab experiment that shatters the moment you step outside your comfort zone. It's about having the capacity to enter the chaotic world and transform it with your presence or at least learn to enjoy it. That's what any mystic that's changed the world has done such as our boy Jesus. You don't HAVE to do that but if you're gonna claim that your perspective is the superior one then I will deconstruct it. 

I'm also an INTP hard introvert. I've spent 12 years working on myself and learning from different environments to get to the point where I'm at now.I still spend most of the day in solitude and introspection. Introverts can excel in social situations, they just have to find their own unique way of doing it. I know some hard introverts that do very well at cold approach but can't really socialize in a party or nightlife environment because the communication there is more emotional and vibe based than intellectual. I don't particularly excel at cold approach but I also mostly like intellectual environments. Which is why I did a podcast and host creative events. The arts are a mix of intuition and creativity as well as entrepreneurship and marketing so I enjoy the mix of left and right brain thinking.

If you're satisfied with where you are at in life that's fine but I'm saying your limitations are self imposed my friend. 

 

[integral]

13 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Yes introverts need alone time to recharge. Doesn't mean you should forego socialization and then claim superior development from that. It's coping as I've said already. Why it's victim mindset is you're saying that the world lacks integrity and instead of being part of the change you're claiming that retreating in solitude is somehow the superior strategy here. You can't claim weakness and present it as a strength that's insanity.

I'm very familiar with Leo's point of view on this and just read the post again. Leo himself claims that this is just his POV and I'll claim myself that it's a reaction to being put in a complicated system that your brain doesn't understand how to navigate and thus is exhausting. I've already explained how you can curate your own environments that are both more fun and meaningful to navigate than a nightclub and also bring up people to your level. That's the definition of leadership. 

You're literally said that people are a profound waste of time. What you should do is introspect on how you came to that conclusion and if it's grounded in reality or just your limited perspective of it. People have limitless potential. 

High consciousness isn't a lab experiment that shatters the moment you step outside your comfort zone. It's about having the capacity to enter the chaotic world and transform it with your presence or at least learn to enjoy it. That's what any mystic that's changed the world has done such as our boy Jesus. You don't HAVE to do that but if you're gonna claim that your perspective is the superior one then I will deconstruct it. 

I'm also an INTP hard introvert. I've spent 12 years working on myself and learning from different environments to get to the point where I'm at now.I still spend most of the day in solitude and introspection. Introverts can excel in social situations, they just have to find their own unique way of doing it. I know some hard introverts that do very well at cold approach but can't really socialize in a party or nightlife environment because the communication there is more emotional and vibe based than intellectual. I don't particularly excel at cold approach but I also mostly like intellectual environments. Which is why I did a podcast and host creative events. The arts are a mix of intuition and creativity as well as entrepreneurship and marketing so I enjoy the mix of left and right brain thinking.

If you're satisfied with where you are at in life that's fine but I'm saying your limitations are self imposed my friend. 

 

I agree.

The point I'm making is: I did all that and now I want to be alone.

Edited 15 hours ago by integral

[LordFall]

That's fair I respect that. I'll just leave you with don't give up on people they are worth it. 

[integral]

@LordFall We are operating from different life stages, you're in your 20s having to achieve and go out in the world and Conquer everything. I'm almost in my 40s, all of that is done already.

24 minutes ago, LordFall said:

 Introverts can excel in social situations, they just have to find their own unique way of doing it.

I've already did all of this and now the human need is satisfied. Now I'd rather be alone and I recognize socializing as a series of games that people are playing to get their needs met, or business needs met or whatever else is going on.

Even having the best deepest connection with someone isn't really worth it, I'd rather just be completely alone and isolated because no matter what when you have any interaction with people, you have to take responsibility of their life and chaos and it does become a burden, there's just no reason to deal with it anymore especially when you've already satisfied the human need within yourself.

Edited 15 hours ago by integral

[LordFall]

There is a great Owen cook whole hour and a half video on this, I highly recommend you watch it. You're not the only one that feels this way, most men give up around 40. 

If you're saying that you're experiencing connection with others as pain and burden then that's a diagnostic sign towards lack of alignment. If done right helping others should feel like basically hedonism like you're using your skills that you've built to solve someone else's problem and then they're grateful that you helped them solve it and say X person is such a cool person they've helped me; a virtuous cycle. Easier than done for sure but it can be done, I'm just starting to tap into it with my creative communities feels good. 

Also I'm 31, for sure I get to be in the wise elder category now 

Edited 14 hours ago by LordFall

[integral]

7 minutes ago, LordFall said:

There is a great Owen cook whole hour and a half video on this, I highly recommend you watch it

If you're saying that you're experiencing connection with others as pain and burden then that's a diagnostic sign towards lack of alignment. If done right helping others should feel like basically hedonism like you're using your skills that you've built to solve someone else's problem and then they're grateful that you helped them solve it and say X person is such a cool person they've helped me; a virtuous cycle. 

I have friendships where I'm the mentor, and it's all fun

I still get the framing here where whenever I say I want to be alone you view it as some kind of illness.

When you're in a serious relationship you have to take responsibility for that person's life and there's no abandoning them or running away from it.

This was the chaos I'm talking about.

I assume by Owens standards that I'm actually full of shit and what I really want is a massive social Circle where I'm the status King

Can you answer why Owen can't maintain a long-term relationship if his life depended on it?

[LordFall]

I don’t know I haven’t talked to him about it. Perhaps he enjoys the life he has now. You don’t need to have a massive impact if you don’t want to. The way you were talking about it sounded more like you were resigning yourself to that lifestyle versus something that you find deep peace and fulfillment in. 

Also once more if you have all these qualms about society why not have an impact on it instead of being the grumpy guy on the forum about it? Thats where my victim mindset comment was coming from. 

It reminds me of my brother who just finished uni in Montreal and he has a communist streak to him and complains about the economy. I asked him why don’t we start a business together then and make a lot of money and then you’ll either not worry about the economy or be in a better position to change it; we’ll see how that goes.
 

I fundamentally believe in being at the cause not to the effect of our reality. There is a lot of change even one person can make on the world. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

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Also I'm 31, for sure I get to be in the wise elder category now 

Who's gonna tell him? 😁

[integral]

20 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You don’t need to have a massive impact if you don’t want to.

I do want to do that and it has nothing to do with more socializing

20 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Also once more if you have all these qualms about society why not have an impact on it instead of being the grumpy guy on the forum about it? Thats where my victim mindset comment was coming from. 

That is your projection and interoperation of everything i said from idealism.

I'm not talking in terms of positive or negative.

When I say you can't change people in relationships I mean that from experience and how the real world works, but you interpret this as negative and that im not taking highest frame possible.

I 100% see the idealist frame and then I tamed it back down to reality.

When I tame things down to reality you view this as being negative.

Interpreting everything about normal observations about reality as negative. 

20 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I fundamentally believe in being at the cause not to the effect of our reality. There is a lot of change even one person can make on the world. 

Having a growth mindset is perfectly fine but we're talking way beyond that.

There's having a great mindset and then reality.

If I say the world is corrupt place that's not because I'm lacking mindset. It's an observation about the world. A insight about how the world works.

Talking about the problem and then having a great mindset for the solution are separate things. 

20 minutes ago, LordFall said:

It reminds me of my brother who just finished uni in Montreal and he has a communist streak to him and complains about the economy. I asked him why don’t we start a business together then and make a lot of money and then you’ll either not worry about the economy or be in a better position to change it; we’ll see how that goes.

Can you calm down? Why can't he just State some obvious thing about the economy without being accused of being negative.

The advice to start a business made perfect sense, but beyond that he's just making an observation.

Relax... Observations about the world are perfectly fine.

Edited 12 hours ago by integral

[integral]

Sophia rain not having integrity is a observation and insight on values... not a catastrophizing complaint about a world and a emotion about it.

It can be used to catastrophize or not, the difference being mindset.

Edited 12 hours ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall there appears to be an assumption behind all of your arguments & talking points with @integral that "My view is the correct way to engage in the world, anyone that is rational will automatically come to the same conclusions I do and if they don't there is something wrong". 

I'm not saying anything is incorrect, but it's possible someone could live the same life you have and come to completely different conclusions and meanings. 

You don't appear to want to consider that there might not be a right or wrong? 

Hey, I could be wrong here. Just appears this is the uninspected assumptions behind your entire dialogue with @integral here.

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[WonderSeeker]

8 hours ago, LordFall said:

@WonderSeeker If that identity suits you I mean more power to you. I merely deconstructed the causes of it and the "solution" if you seek to experience sexuality a different way. I'm a big believer in being in control of most of the facets of your personality and that most humans are quite repressed and especially in everything related to sexuality.

Allow me to psychoanalyze you but it seems from the original post that you're a bit offended by the concept of bodycount so perhaps yours is low and you don't like that fact? Although deconstructing the concept of bodycount in and of itself is completely valid. 

Dude, I appreciate your inputs here, but you make so many assumptions and twisted conclusions it's hard to take you seriously sometimes. If you wanna psychoanalyze, fine go ahead. Just ask real questions first.

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Still, I think what @integral said before, about people having different authentic desires is spot on. Yours is to sleep with women and form social circles for its own sake. Cool. Because you've done all of that, it's hard for you to imagine any other way and so you project that onto others here and in real life. Mine is different due to what biologically runs me which I'm becoming increasingly aware of.

The worst mistake I ever made growing up was trying to shove myself into paradigms, including a dating paradigm, set by the loudest ones with the most results. The more I did that, the lower quality my results were. The more I stuck to what's true to me, the more and better quality my results.

I am an HSP and tend toward demi-sexuality. Those aren't identities I wear on my sleeve, they just explain a lot of things I've had to wrestle as I grew up. Now I can be me.

I could go on, but I invite your inquiry and perspective. Because actually wondering who others are is better than projecting. Clearly we're 2 very different people — and our disagreements aren't just mental — which is something I enjoy a lot because it's a chance to learn.

[LordFall]

@Natasha Tori Maru When someone says humans are profound waste of time that say nothing, that does not sound like someone rational to me. Does it to you? That sounds to me like someone who's jaded and gave up.

I think my way is the correct way to engage with the world because it doesn't get me nor the people I see adopting it to that result. 

@integral I'm not talking about idealism. Feeling the way you feel is common, as I said it's covered in the video I linked above. If you wanna look at paradigms that lead to getting out of it as idealism then that seems like a closed off perspective more than reality. 

@WonderSeeker Which of my assumptions were wrong? I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and explain some things that you've said from what I know about psychology and sexuality. I could totally be wrong. 

Edited 5 hours ago by LordFall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall read my comment again. 

Systemic belief.  It's a recurring pattern. 

I know you advocate for your way of life and approach heavily. But I cannot help but be sceptical; I am all about wholeism in terms of mental, intellectual and spiritual health. You don't appear to align across those 3 due to other reports of your struggles with drug abuse. 

Could it be some of your ways of life and approach are unconsciously causing damage you are escaping with through substance? 

We all do this to a degree. We are humans. But the degree to which these copes are engaged with can reflect the magnitude of unconscious damage/issue etc. figuring out cause and effect can be hard. Weed use is strongly about centring in a body mindfulness and presence state - it can directly indicate a disconnection from the body in everyday life...

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Valach]

Dating and sex is often an addiction just like any other. It is very normalized addiction in our society, but that does not make it healthy.

[WonderSeeker]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

@WonderSeeker Which of my assumptions were wrong? I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and explain some things that you've said from what I know about psychology and sexuality. I could totally be wrong. 

You assume if someone hasn't slept with a "high" number of people, then they are insecure about it.

Out of genuine curiosity, early on did having a low body count cause you negative emotions? And/or, when you got it to a "high" number did it change how you felt about yourself? At what number did it become "okay, I made it"? 

Personally in my life I used to have this anxiety about my lack of experience, but when I let go of that my results went up, and more importantly I learned the quantity was never important to me to begin with. Quality matters far more. I think when we're young society pimps us out in funny ways.