Being Healthy is Impossible living with Stupid people.

[integral]

This is why living with our parents was hell.

1. A stupid persons life style is designed by chasing pleasures, not by thoughtful considerations.
2. A stupid person will misunderstand you everyday, and forget all efforts you put to be understood.
3. A stupid person will always put there choices above yours and never trust your judgment.
4. A stupid person will not allow you to make good decisions, because they dont understand them.
5. A stupid person believes there judgement is always better then yours.
6. A stupid person demands to lead when they are the least qualified.
7. A stupid person feels wronged every day you are living with them if they have to compromise in minor ways.
8. A stupid person cannot see the hierarchy of priorities and human needs. They put there needs at the top.
9. A stupid person cannot accept anything that is not there life style and will feel suppressed every day they dont get it.
10. A stupid person will not choose the higher way of life and resent being forced to.
11. A stupid person will always fight for the life style they want instead of integrating a better one.
12. A stupid person will use there inteligence to prove to themselves that they are right.
13. A stupid person Values getting what they want rather then living in harmony with others.
14. A stupid person feels resentment when they need to compromise, but demand everyone to compromise for them.
15. A stupid person forgets and defaults to what they want, instead of integrating conflict resolution.
16. A stupid person blames you for there minor ideals not being met caused by minor life style differences.
17. A stupid person cannot see they are defending emotional attachments.
18. A stupid person will always put there needs above yours if they have the power to do so.
19. A stupid person seeks power over you so there needs are met above yours.
20. A stupid person Values indulging in short term pleasure above one that gives them the highest state.
21. A stupid person Values aesthetics in there home above function.
22. A stupid person will never admit they are wrong.
23. A stupid person will view there efforts as 10x any effort you make.
24. A stupid person is trying to manipulate you to get what they want, instead of considering everyones needs.

 

Edited yesterday at 04:52 PM by integral

[Basman]

Medium rare beef.

[Lila9]

All those behaviors certainly happen to people who are considered intelligent as well. Intelligent people can still be selfish, biased, and have typical human flaws. Nobody is really immune to ignorance, stupidity, stress, bias, egoism, immaturity, etc.

Not to mention that there are multiple types of intelligence, and rare are the people who master all of them. 

Usually, when a person is highly intelligent in certain things, it comes at the expense of other types of intelligence.

6 hours ago, integral said:

A stupid person Values aesthetics in there home above function.

There are people whose type of intelligence is to prioritize efficiency and functionality above beauty, while there are people whose type of intelligence is creating beauty.

Saying that the first is more intelligent than the second is biased.

7 hours ago, integral said:

A stupid person will never admit they are wrong.

Nah, there are narcissistic people who are geniuses and would never admit that they are wrong. While there may be some correlation, intelligence doesn't guarantee integrity.

[Human Mint]

I realized watching those blog posts on stupidity that the only reason people act stupidly is because they're cognitively uncapable of seeing beyond. Is not really their fault, they're cognitively blind.

If you understand that then it's easy dealing with stupid people. You can't change that.

[caspex]

@Human Mint King Crimson! Toki wa kesareta!

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, integral said:

This is why living with our parents was hell.

1. A stupid persons life style is designed by chasing pleasures, not by thoughtful considerations.
2. A stupid person will misunderstand you everyday, and forget all efforts you put to be understood.
3. A stupid person will always put there choices above yours and never trust your judgment.
4. A stupid person will not allow you to make good decisions, because they dont understand them.
5. A stupid person believes there judgement is always better then yours.
6. A stupid person demands to lead when they are the least qualified.
7. A stupid person feels wronged every day you are living with them if they have to compromise in minor ways.
8. A stupid person cannot see the hierarchy of priorities and human needs. They put there needs at the top.
9. A stupid person cannot accept anything that is not there life style and will feel suppressed every day they dont get it.
10. A stupid person will not choose the higher way of life and resent being forced to.
11. A stupid person will always fight for the life style they want instead of integrating a better one.
12. A stupid person will use there inteligence to prove to themselves that they are right.
13. A stupid person Values getting what they want rather then living in harmony with others.
14. A stupid person feels resentment when they need to compromise, but demand everyone to compromise for them.
15. A stupid person forgets and defaults to what they want, instead of integrating conflict resolution.
16. A stupid person blames you for there minor ideals not being met caused by minor life style differences.
17. A stupid person cannot see they are defending emotional attachments.
18. A stupid person will always put there needs above yours if they have the power to do so.
19. A stupid person seeks power over you so there needs are met above yours.
20. A stupid person Values indulging in short term pleasure above one that gives them the highest state.
21. A stupid person Values aesthetics in there home above function.
22. A stupid person will never admit they are wrong.
23. A stupid person will view there efforts as 10x any effort you make.
24. A stupid person is trying to manipulate you to get what they want, instead of considering everyones needs.

Some of these are something else besides stupidity.

Be careful not to blame every vice on stupidity.

Edited 20 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

@Lila9 I appreciate your nuanced takes.  Very refreshing.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Most everyone has some sort of domain specific mastery where they display intelligence. 

We always have some areas we are stupid in.

There is some Einstein quote about fish we all know yadda yadda 

[oOo]

Math equations go in three ways here and interlace on the fourth.

The appraisal.

The order within that appraisal.

The stimuli that fit into that appraisal.

The fourth equaton harmonises all three where self-regulation meets empathic boundaries.

The level of intelligence in empathy is what formulates generative morality versus  being purely morality centric. Moral centrism is being led morally based purely on the social contract, generetive morality reflects what a healthy brain does and the functionality of intelligence within empathy.

A dichotomy I have never observed before outside of where the former encompasses the latter as a sophisticated social act in traversing across cultural boundaries, but remains unnamed. 

Moral centrism, is what many confuse here with justification that there is "no such thing as morality", when in reality, it is the absence of dividing the social contract with brain function and a healthy nervous system, that would otherwise build a bridge of understanding the greater order through more intelligently deployed empathy. Constituting again, generative morality, the very function that is designed to forge moral centrism, and upgrade in sophistication in the same ways a good court system should advance laws overtime. This confusion runs across most demographics, even in unnamed grace. By isolating a trait, like "stupidity", justification becomes as blind as there is the missing observation in the dividing line between the moral centrism that is being created, or in analogous form, and the generative morality that serves the role of valuing the sophistication of its deployment.

This is inherently an emotional equation that is balanced in this particular instance, by neither that which is (morally) generative or that which has become centric or the centric evaluated, but the line of equanimity that stands between them. If that line is not resolved in this way, to that extent, stupid consequences will follow. Enlightenment takes time. I totally get that.

[Socrates]

Most of what you're describing isn't stupidity — it's the predictable output of a system that never installed the prerequisite for intelligent behavior: self-observation.

You cannot be anything other than self-biased when your entire formative experience was designed around external compliance — grades, approval, social scripts — with zero structured exposure to introspection. The system doesn't produce low-intelligence people, it produces unintelligent ones. People who are cognitively capable but epistemically blind to themselves. You couldn't engineer a more effective intelligence-suppression system if you tried.

The real prerequisite — before psychology, before philosophy, before any self-development — is thousands of hours observing yourself. What triggers you. What you want and why. What you believe and on what basis. Without that foundation, behavior runs on inherited script. Not chosen, not examined — just executed.

This is the distinction you're missing entirely: you're describing conditioned narcissism and emotional immaturity, then labeling it stupidity. These are different failure modes. A highly intelligent but insecure, trauma-shaped person produces identical behaviors to a genuinely unintelligent one. The word "stupid" collapses that distinction and does bad diagnostics.

The harder truth is that these people have no meaningful free will in the domain you're describing. They are running executable files from their upbringing. You wouldn't blame Firefox for opening when you double-click it, nor would you expect Internet Explorer to open. Blame requires the possibility of choice, and choice requires self-awareness as its prerequisite, which was never installed.

This is not a defense of the behavior, and it doesn't mean the behavior is tolerable to live with. It means you're misidentifying the cause, which matters if you actually want to understand what you're dealing with or decide what to do about it.

Edited 10 hours ago by Socrates

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Socrates said:

Most of what you're describing isn't stupidity — it's the predictable output of a system that never installed the prerequisite for intelligent behavior: self-observation.

You cannot be anything other than self-biased when your entire formative experience was designed around external compliance — grades, approval, social scripts — with zero structured exposure to introspection. The system doesn't produce low-intelligence people, it produces unintelligent ones. People who are cognitively capable but epistemically blind to themselves. You couldn't engineer a more effective intelligence-suppression system if you tried.

The real prerequisite — before psychology, before philosophy, before any self-development — is thousands of hours observing yourself. What triggers you. What you want and why. What you believe and on what basis. Without that foundation, behavior runs on inherited script. Not chosen, not examined — just executed.

This is the distinction you're missing entirely: you're describing conditioned narcissism and emotional immaturity, then labeling it stupidity. These are different failure modes. A highly intelligent but insecure, trauma-shaped person produces identical behaviors to a genuinely unintelligent one. The word "stupid" collapses that distinction and does bad diagnostics.

The harder truth is that these people have no meaningful free will in the domain you're describing. They are running executable files from their upbringing. You wouldn't blame Firefox for opening when you double-click it, nor would you expect Internet Explorer to open. Blame requires the possibility of choice, and choice requires self-awareness as its prerequisite, which was never installed.

This is not a defense of the behavior, and it doesn't mean the behavior is tolerable to live with. It means you're misidentifying the cause, which matters if you actually want to understand what you're dealing with or decide what to do about it.

My gawd. What would Socrates have thought of LLMs?

[Socrates]

@UnbornTao Depends on the context.

In this context, finger pointing to the moon, you're looking at the finger, what a way to demonstrate unintelligence.

edit: I'm actually convinced most people dont EVER intersect with intelligence, and even if they do by accident, they dont notice it because you gotta have it to do so.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Socrates

[Lila9]

6 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

@Lila9 I appreciate your nuanced takes.  Very refreshing.

Same here. Your takes are very refreshing too.

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Socrates said:

@UnbornTao Depends on the context.

In this context, finger pointing to the moon, you're looking at the finger, what a way to demonstrate unintelligence.

edit: I'm actually convinced most people dont EVER intersect with intelligence, and even if they do by accident, they dont notice it.

It's a forum guideline to disclose AI use.

Edited 7 hours ago by UnbornTao

[integral]

16 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Usually, when a person is highly intelligent in certain things, it comes at the expense of other types of intelligence.

16 hours ago, Lila9 said:

There are people whose type of intelligence is to prioritize efficiency and functionality above beauty, while there are people whose type of intelligence is creating beauty.

Saying that the first is more intelligent than the second is biased.

I mean all of this in the context when you're living with other people and you have to function in an intelligent way to make all of the lifestyles work.

And also in the context of knowing how to live a good life and to design your lifestyle intelligently which no one does.

A ugly toaster that works should not be replaced for a prettier one. These kinds of practical things people cannot handle because every time they look at the toaster they don't like it and they don't know why they don't like it and there's constantly this itch inside them that has to buy a new toaster. And they can't rise above these attachments.

People are just blindly following their programming as there lifestyle, it's not a consciously designed lifestyle.

And when you're living with someone else your whole lifestyle has to be a flexible conscious thing and there needs to be priorities and hierarchy of priorities above other things. Like people have sleep schedules and you don't wake up at 5:00 in the morning and start vacuuming. When you're managing money you have to be able to put function over Aesthetics and be practical. These are all things Society doesn't teach anyone

Edited 6 hours ago by integral

[integral]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Some of these are something else besides stupidity.

Be careful not to blame every vice on stupidity.

It's unclear what part of this is not stupidity when living with other people?

There are many Lifestyles that simply need to live apart that's fine but I'm not talking about that. 

If you wake up in the morning and vacuum at 5:00 a.m. while other people are sleeping and you refuse to adapt, what am I supposed to call this?

If you own a dog for over 10 years and every time they poop in the house you get extremely angry and it disrupts your whole day, this is not stupidity?

Edited 4 hours ago by integral

[integral]

If you guys are saying this is not stupidity give examples and break it down further I have no idea what you mean.

Edited 6 hours ago by integral

[integral]

4 hours ago, Socrates said:

This is the distinction you're missing entirely: you're describing conditioned narcissism and emotional immaturity, then labeling it stupidity. These are different failure modes. A highly intelligent but insecure, trauma-shaped person produces identical behaviors to a genuinely unintelligent one. The word "stupid" collapses that distinction and does bad diagnostics.

I'm lumping stupidity as a lack of consciousness. The more conscious you are the more you can integrate all of that.

Edited 5 hours ago by integral

[integral]

 

4 hours ago, Socrates said:

Most of what you're describing isn't stupidity — it's the predictable output of a system that never installed the prerequisite for intelligent behavior: self-observation.

You cannot be anything other than self-biased when your entire formative experience was designed around external compliance — grades, approval, social scripts — with zero structured exposure to introspection. The system doesn't produce low-intelligence people, it produces unintelligent ones. People who are cognitively capable but epistemically blind to themselves. You couldn't engineer a more effective intelligence-suppression system if you tried.

The real prerequisite — before psychology, before philosophy, before any self-development — is thousands of hours observing yourself. What triggers you. What you want and why. What you believe and on what basis. Without that foundation, behavior runs on inherited script. Not chosen, not examined — just executed.

This is the distinction you're missing entirely: you're describing conditioned narcissism and emotional immaturity, then labeling it stupidity. These are different failure modes. A highly intelligent but insecure, trauma-shaped person produces identical behaviors to a genuinely unintelligent one. The word "stupid" collapses that distinction and does bad diagnostics.

The harder truth is that these people have no meaningful free will in the domain you're describing. They are running executable files from their upbringing. You wouldn't blame Firefox for opening when you double-click it, nor would you expect Internet Explorer to open. Blame requires the possibility of choice, and choice requires self-awareness as its prerequisite, which was never installed.

This is not a defense of the behavior, and it doesn't mean the behavior is tolerable to live with. It means you're misidentifying the cause, which matters if you actually want to understand what you're dealing with or decide what to do about it.

If a person doesn't have strong self-introspection self-awareness thinking process then they are stupid?

If they're following the script Society is giving them, all their values are not a conscious thing to them, then they're stupid?

When exactly do we draw the line?

Edited 5 hours ago by integral

[integral]

18 hours ago, Lila9 said:

All those behaviors certainly happen to people who are considered intelligent as well. Intelligent people can still be selfish, biased, and have typical human flaws. Nobody is really immune to ignorance, stupidity, stress, bias, egoism, immaturity, etc.

Not to mention that there are multiple types of intelligence, and rare are the people who master all of them. 

Usually, when a person is highly intelligent in certain things, it comes at the expense of other types of intelligence.

There are people whose type of intelligence is to prioritize efficiency and functionality above beauty, while there are people whose type of intelligence is creating beauty.

Saying that the first is more intelligent than the second is biased.

Nah, there are narcissistic people who are geniuses and would never admit that they are wrong. While there may be some correlation, intelligence doesn't guarantee integrity.

Is trump stupid? no hes just a narcissist phycopath.

Is a parent stupid? no there just ignorent.

Is a gf stupid? no there just forgetful.

...

this is what everyone is doing. the word stupid has no meaning then.

Replace the word stupid with, "lack of consciousness". That's basically what I'm saying

Edited 4 hours ago by integral