Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[Carl-Richard]

On 24.6.2026 at 6:46 PM, Jirh said:

I'm not disagreeing per se.

But did you actually answer the question?

You gave a convincing reason to leave instead of to stay. I don't get the point.

There are pros and cons. And I acknowledge the cons. The question "why don't you leave?" is often a rhetorical question saying "it can't be that bad if you don't want to leave", so then I'll answer this is what the cons are so we're clear on what they are and you don't get to act cute with a rhetorical question.

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

There are pros and cons. And I acknowledge the cons. The question "why don't you leave?" is often a rhetorical question saying "it can't be that bad if you don't want to leave", so then I'll answer this is what the cons are so we're clear on what they are and you don't get to act cute with a rhetorical question.

Maybe in some cases.

But from what I have seen it's also often an invitation towards consistency between theory and practice.

It's like a double-bind where:

• If you stay then it's not as bad as you claim it is, maybe not bad at all, or the pros outweigh the cons.
• If it's truly bad then you have to leave to stay coherent with your convictions.

I think it often implies this double-bind, and is not as rhetorical as it might seem.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

https://youtube.com/@amandamontellpodcasts?si=jdGzWiQZz257glat

This podcast is a good example of applying the term "cult" in a non-binary way. The hosts approach each movement looking at it from the lens of "cultish" qualities, and discuss how the frame fits across the spectrum of labels. 

They stretch the label to it's limits. Some of the podcasts are like squishing a square peg in a triangle hole. But interesting to see the cult frame used in a way that isn't totally negative. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[zurew]

4 hours ago, Jirh said:

Maybe in some cases.

But from what I have seen it's also often an invitation towards consistency between theory and practice.

It's like a double-bind where:

• If you stay then it's not as bad as you claim it is, maybe not bad at all, or the pros outweigh the cons.
• If it's truly bad then you have to leave to stay coherent with your convictions.

If there is an honest disagreement, you would expect people to actually engage with whats being said, rather than speculating about your motivations or about your conviction behind what you said. (because none of that is directly relevant to this topic and to the arguments - even if you can show that all of us are conceptually and emotionally confused - none of that shows that the arguments are false).

If a  person wants to imply a double bind like that, then that person should make that clear and explicate it in argument form (so that he/she wont be misinterpreted as a bad faith person who is desperately fishing for things to latch onto rather than substantively engaging with the overall case that you made).

Or just lay down how that line of questioning is directly relevant to the topic and how that line of questioning can directly undermine the arguments that were given.

And also make it clear before the questioning that you dont have any arguments yet and that you are fishing for one (depending on what answers will be given to your questions).

People  should make themselves vulnerable by being honest about their biases from the outset .  The issue is that some people will retrospectively revise their claimed original position depending on whether their line of questioning succeeds, and then pretend that it had been their original position all along.

Edited 1 hour ago by zurew

[Inliytened1]

7 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Hmm. https://www.reddit.com/r/nonduality/s/IrgyhN7XTG

Ooh was that @Flowerfaeiry in there?

[Wilhelm44]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ooh was that @Flowerfaeiry in there?

Yeah,Im guessing that's her, she made a post here a month or two ago about her previous shamanic teachers who also turned to Jesus for some reason.

Edited 34 minutes ago by Wilhelm44