The epistemology of Michael Jackson fans

[Monster Energy]

Many people think this video gives off a very strange feeling about their relationship.

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

To accept that this music was made by a child predator and deeply disturbed individual is too difficult for many people.

Bullseye.

Reasoning with music fans is like reasoning with religious fanatics.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Consept]

1 hour ago, Monster Energy said:

Many people think this video gives off a very strange feeling about their relationship.

 

@Hojo (cant get this tag off) 

@Monster Energy i think its quite telling in that video how he puts the blame on the kid, hes like 'the kids want to stay with me, what could i do?'. Any normal adult would know that there has to be boundaries, imagine on a school trip, a 10 year old kid said to their teacher 'i want to sleep in the bed with you' and the school teacher was like 'what could I do, they wanted to do it'. That would not fly anywhere. 

Separately I found this video really interesting from his ex-publicist who doesnt seem to have anything to gain financially from telling his story - 

 

[Monster Energy]

16 minutes ago, Consept said:

@Hojo (cant get this tag off) 

@Monster Energy i think its quite telling in that video how he puts the blame on the kid, hes like 'the kids want to stay with me, what could i do?'. Any normal adult would know that there has to be boundaries, imagine on a school trip, a 10 year old kid said to their teacher 'i want to sleep in the bed with you' and the school teacher was like 'what could I do, they wanted to do it'. That would not fly anywhere. 

Separately I found this video really interesting from his ex-publicist who doesnt seem to have anything to gain financially from telling his story - 

 

Michael is really not very good at defending himself, even though he thinks he is doing a good job.

 

I’m going to watch the video. Thanks.

 

 

[Monster Energy]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Bullseye.

Reasoning with music fans is like reasoning with religious fanatics.

I agree, but if there were a video of Jesus abusing children, many religious people probably still wouldn’t see anything wrong with it. On the other hand, if there were actual footage of Michael doing something like that, even some of his most devoted fans would stop worshipping him.

 

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

I agree, but if there were a video of Jesus abusing children, many religious people probably still wouldn’t see anything wrong with it. On the other hand, if there were actual footage of Michael doing something like that, even some of his most devoted fans would stop worshipping him.

 

Well, Jesus did kill a child.

No one cares.

[enchanted]

3 hours ago, Lyubov said:

He’s defended because a lot of people associate his music with good times and friends. A lot of them grew up with MJ music or had a parent that did so they associate it with summer time, parties and social stuff from their youth. To accept that this music was made by a child predator and deeply disturbed individual is too difficult for many people. I think just looking at all the evidence and how we treat these crimes now, it goes without say thing that MJ was a child predator and a severe threat to children and society. 

Was going to post the same thing 

[Wilhelm44]

56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, Jesus did kill a child.

No one cares.

What what what ?

[Consept]

3 hours ago, Lyubov said:

He’s defended because a lot of people associate his music with good times and friends. A lot of them grew up with MJ music or had a parent that did so they associate it with summer time, parties and social stuff from their youth. To accept that this music was made by a child predator and deeply disturbed individual is too difficult for many people. I think just looking at all the evidence and how we treat these crimes now, it goes without say thing that MJ was a child predator and a severe threat to children and society. 

This is definitely true although i think in the case of MJ its not just the music, there is a parasocial love for him as a person, they almost see him as pure innocence and a model for how everyone should be. Any questioning of that is a questioning of innocence and goodness itself, which is ironic considering that if he has done committed these crimes, he wouldve actually destroyed the innocence of these kids.

But also this isnt really unique to MJ, its basically what happens when you elevate someone to an almost god like level, which MJ definitely played into with how he was presented. All these people can do no wrong to their followers Trump, Manson etc. Even now people are excusing Russell Brand for sleeping with a 16 year old when he was 30. Its funny because one of the 10 commandments specifically says dont make false idols of me, you can see the wisdom in that and the damage that can be done with false idols. Man is to flawed to have that much reverence and power. 

[Consept]

Sheriff who raided neverland. Notice the comments automatically dismissing her

 

[Hojo]

2 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

Michael is really not very good at defending himself, even though he thinks he is doing a good job.

 

I’m going to watch the video. Thanks.

 

 

According to the internet he had an IQ of 164. 

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, Jesus did kill a child.

No one cares.

Its officially not a canon event lol. Never happened. 

[Basman]

Just read the comments on this stupid sketch. People acting like their mother got insulted.

 

[Consept]

Also btw the money angle goes both ways, his estate has millions on MJ not being guilty, there is a whole industry behind it, many jobs etc. From the films, theatre shows, streams, record sales etc. There is money to made discrediting him as well but i think it pales in comparison 

[Monster Energy]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, Jesus did kill a child.

No one cares.

Jesus fans’ excuse is always: “We don’t always understand why God does what he does, but we must accept that everything he does has a good purpose.” They have always used this weak excuse.

 

[Monster Energy]

35 minutes ago, Hojo said:

According to the internet he had an IQ of 164. 

Lol

[Basman]

MJ is too big of a golden cow to cancel. Both monetarily and culturally.