Are rocks conscious?

[Stick]

[I don't have any experience of full awakening so keep that in mind.]

When we say that consciousness doesn't arrive from the brain and that it was already here; does that mean everything is conscious?

of course I understand when people here say that everything is consciousness but is everything conscious? Are rocks conscious?

What is the difference between conscious and consciousness?

 

[Breakingthewall]

Just my perspective: The idea that everything is consciousness and reality is an illusion comes from Advaita Vedanta philosophy. It's a mistake, a subtle need for control, since from the perspective of a conscious being, unconsciousness is unimaginable, not an option.

Consciousness is the fact of reality looking at itself, not reality itself. So no, stones are not conscious

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, Stick said:

What is the difference between conscious and consciousness?

Conscious is an adjective.

Consciousness is a noun.

Some people believe that the substance of everything is consciousness.

But the question is what is the substance of consciousness?

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Jirh said:

Some people believe that the substance of everything is consciousness.

But the question is what is the substance of consciousness?

Good question. 
the substance of consciousness is itself . Reality is made out of itself . Could it be otherwise? 

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[Stick]

I think you guys are on the same boat of oblivion as me 

@Leo Gura  Are stones conscious? 
 

[Someone here]

@Stick a rock isn’t conscious ..neither human beings . Rocks and humans are forms apearing within consciousness. Consciousness isn’t the ability to perceive. Consciousness is the substratum of all existence.

 

[Elliott]

Rock is a concept, there's actually no literal separate thing called a rock, even from a physical-science perspective, it's just a distinction around a dense clump of silica that is still ultimately directly physically as connected to you as your hand.

 

 

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[Eskilon]

"Consciousness sleeps in the stone, dreams in the plant, awakes in the animal and slowly becomes aware of itself in man." --Pythagoras

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[Stick]

35 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Stick a rock isn’t conscious ..neither human beings . Rocks and humans are forms apearing within consciousness. Consciousness isn’t the ability to perceive. Consciousness is the substratum of all existence.

 

Thats a satisfying answer actually. I think you are right.
But the verb conscious came before the noun consciousness (at least humans invented it in that order).
Why is that?

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Stick said:

Thats a satisfying answer actually. I think you are right.
But the verb conscious came before the noun consciousness (at least humans invented it in that order).
Why is that?

Language is made by humans . Language carries implicit metaphysical assumptions about reality which came from the humans who created the language.  The phrasing “I love myself or I’m talking to myself or I hate myself “ is present in all the languages in the world yet we are aware there aren’t actually an I and a myself in relation to each other . It’s just an assumption in language.

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[Jannes]

Consciousness comes in many forms and degrees. A human and a dog are both conscious, yet one is more conscious then the other. A human experiences degrees of consciousness like self awareness, spirituality, abstraction, construct awareness ... that would blow the mind of a dog. With a higher degree of consciousness you fall into a completly different quality of consciousness completly different then that of an animal. This upscaling is already pretty msytical and weird, like we can kind of make sense of a dog but cant truly grasp it. So with that in mind it would be less of a stretch to give rocks some sort of consciousness, completly stripped from basically all qualities. But how rock consciousness could be like I have no idea. 

[Mellowmarsh]

6 hours ago, Stick said:

When we say that consciousness doesn't arrive from the brain and that it was already here; does that mean everything is conscious?

Every thing is not conscious because consciousness is not a thing.

 

Things are not conscious, things have no consciousness.

 

 

[LastThursday]

I think there has to be an answer, but I don't know if it's yes or no.

If consciousness is all there is (idealism), then what happens within consciousness is highly correlated with what is experienced in consciousness. For example if I press my finger hard into my ribs, it hurts. The pain is experienced in consciouness. A rock is still subject to physics, so if you press your finger into a rock, it's the same thing. It won't experience pain, but it will experience something. So you could argue that anything that experiences physics is conscious in some way. But that's just pansychism through the back door.

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, Stick said:

Are stones conscious? 
 

I vote 'yes'.  Stones are completely submissive with one and only one exception.  The stones are declaring themselves as "stones".