Why is Leo subtly spreading conservatism, and gender stereotypes?

[Elliott]

Masculinity isn't toxic it's just a toxic culture we're dealing with. Materialism, objectification, people valuing themselves and others based on what they possess. 'The patriarchy', 'toxic masculinity', I don't think they're perfect names, I think it's just objectification, materialistic.

Edited Saturday at 02:54 PM by Elliott

[Ash55]

coming next
leo calling women to wear Niqab, and saying no god but allah and we should pray 5 times a day



AM just kidding people

[Ash55]

On 4/17/2026 at 5:48 AM, Xonas Pitfall said:

Notice that many new human views, trends, and movements turn out to be foolish, ineffective, and just mindless conformity. Which is why being conservative is good. Liberals tend to jump on new trends which turn out to be nothing more than utopian group-think. Yes, tradition can be stupid, but often so is the new thing. Examples: crypto, NFTs, communism, men and women are equal, gender is a social construct, post-modernism, identity politics, defund the police, lax drug enforcement, open borders, unchecked immigration, hippie free love, pacifism, celebration of sex work, drag shows for kids, giving kids hormones, etc. Conformity stretches in both directions: backward and forward. Conformity makes fools out of traditionalists and progressives both.

for real we should acknowledge the biological and psychological realities of man and women
with out being rigid or dogmatic, not sure about crypto i feel like its just a technology it solve a problem about money too tho tons of shady things and scams there,

Its crazy how a lots of people in America thing biological male (trans) in women sport is a good idea lol

funny remind me of the middle way just like the budda
 

[lostingenosmaze]

19 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Seems like there's some shadow work happening here.  I get it.

 

[lostingenosmaze]

2 hours ago, Ash55 said:

coming next
leo calling women to wear Niqab, and saying no god but allah and we should pray 5 times a day

First woman users left this forum because of @Leo Gura's blackpill takes on dating and how men are better accessing Truth than women.

Nowadays some transpeople and people who support trans left because of his conservative takes against them.

How long until Leo drops some hot takes on race and starts alienating the black and asian users here? Soon only the straight white men will the only ones striving for Truth, just as God intended 

Edited Saturday at 06:03 PM by lostingenosmaze

[Cred]

The mistake that Leo is doing is not in criticizing leftism. It is believing that he knows what leftism is in the first place. The "leftism" that is presented in the western information space that is concerned mostly about human rights, post-mordernism, etc is a puppet of the capitalists.

Real leftists call this "the compatible left" and it needs to be separated from marxism. The reason why this kind of progressivism is so popular is because the capitalist class allows it to be popular because it's not revolutionary and helps to divide the workers so they are busy fighting each other instead of fighting them.

In that sense, conservatism and leftism are actually not incompatible, since being a leftist, in this view, only means serving the interests of the people, including traditionally minded people. I am very pro China for example and China is pretty traditionalist.

The moment you realize this is the moment you realize that the political spectrum is a construction of the rich.

Because it's so dangerous to the ruling class, Marxism Leninism is engineered to be so unpopular in the west that you likely have never heard a theoretically minded Marxist-Leninist talk. This is the reason why it took me so long to wake up. I was lucky enough to find someone who actually knows what they are talking about (Madeline Pendleton).

[Talinn]

1 hour ago, lostingenosmaze said:

First woman users left this forum because of @Leo Gura's blackpill takes on dating and how men are better accessing Truth than women.

Nowadays some transpeople and people who support trans left because of his conservative takes against them.

How long until Leo drops some hot takes on race and starts alienating the black and asian users here? 

I'm transgender and didn't leave, though I mainly just read..

 

There's truth to the blog posts but they could be phrased better, it's a complicated issue and there's always tradeoffs with speech....as they say silence is golden and speech is silver

[Jacob Morres]

conservatives have a lot of great points

[enchanted]

On 17/04/2026 at 1:30 PM, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I think the truth is somewhere on the left, the question is how far on the left. I agree with the Leo's kind of leftism overall, he seems pretty politically based to me

Also there are a lot of issues that are politically ambiguous and don't really belong to either side

The truth includes both the left and the right. It's both at the same time. Left and right are two parts of the whole. 

200 years from now the values people hold on the left today, will seem ultra conservative - just like they do from 200 years ago.

Edited 22 hours ago by enchanted

[enchanted]

On 17/04/2026 at 3:18 AM, Xonas Pitfall said:

For the conservatism, I do agree I was wrong, I apologize.

For the gender issues, I do think there are uncalled-for biases here. But I suppose that’s not really the topic here, so I apologize. I realize I caused more drama and conflict than needed, in hindsight, seeing the above comments.

Don't apologize, you asked a great question that made for interesting conversation and everyone learned from it!

If you have a question chances are someone has the same one. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 hour ago, enchanted said:

The truth includes both the left and the right. It's both at the same time. Left and right are two parts of the whole. 

200 years from now the values people hold on the left today, will seem ultra conservative - just like they do from 200 years ago.

Yes, liberal vs. conservative are ultimately survival strategies, it's not really about truth. Politics in general are just a bunch of survival strategies. You cannot actually go into politics with the intent to always prioritize the truth, because then you wouldn't be able to do politics. But I'd say leftism covers values of well adjusted humans more than conservatism does. In that sense, it's more true

Edited 20 hours ago by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Ash55]

On 4/18/2026 at 7:04 PM, lostingenosmaze said:

Nowadays some transpeople and people who support trans left because of his conservative takes against them.

love to hear leo hot takes on trans issue

[enchanted]

7 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Yes, liberal vs. conservative are ultimately survival strategies, it's not really about truth. Politics in general are just a bunch of survival strategies. You cannot actually go into politics with the intent to always prioritize the truth, because then you wouldn't be able to do politics. But I'd say leftism covers values of well adjusted humans more than conservatism does. In that sense, it's more true

Yes I suppose left is more true and the universe prefers it because society becomes more "left" over time.

[Basman]

This notion that tribal cultures are these peaceful liberal paradises is so corny. Ancient tribes are brutal as hell. There's no concept of equity or morality. It's as close to humans living as animals as possible. It's unapologetic survival, devoid of remorse or modern concepts of morality. A tribe will have no qualms killing, raping and eating you if that's what survival demands of them. You can easily find hundreds of cases of tribal brutality. Like killing grandmas with stone axes. Or being cannibals. 

Stage red isn't some kind of anomaly or failure. It's built on top of a previous stage that itself didn't set any limits on violence. It just didn't have nearly the same capacity for ambition. That's what changed.

[Basman]

On 4/18/2026 at 6:04 PM, lostingenosmaze said:

First woman users left this forum because of @Leo Gura's blackpill takes on dating and how men are better accessing Truth than women.

Who? I need to see this interaction lol

[Basman]

12 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Yes, liberal vs. conservative are ultimately survival strategies, it's not really about truth. Politics in general are just a bunch of survival strategies. You cannot actually go into politics with the intent to always prioritize the truth, because then you wouldn't be able to do politics. But I'd say leftism covers values of well adjusted humans more than conservatism does. In that sense, it's more true

I agree in principle, but depends on how far left. It's a relative notion after all. A lot of hyper left stuff are "experimental" and tend to not work out without at least compromise with conservative values in the long-term. Like the trans sport thing. Conservatism is all about having a constructive relation to reality, something that is easily taken for granted with a lot of leftists I think. They can get very ideological, like thinking that men and women are just the same.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

49 minutes ago, Basman said:

This notion that tribal cultures are these peaceful liberal paradises is so corny. Ancient tribes are brutal as hell. There's no concept of equity or morality. It's as close to humans living as animals as possible. It's unapologetic survival, devoid of remorse or modern concepts of morality. A tribe will have no qualms killing, raping and eating you if that's what survival demands of them. You can easily find hundreds of cases of tribal brutality. Like killing grandmas with stone axes. Or being cannibals. 

Stage red isn't some kind of anomaly or failure. It's built on top of a previous stage that itself didn't set any limits on violence. It just didn't have nearly the same capacity for ambition. That's what changed.

While in later times the Incans formed up an empire, in their earlier history when tribal, I distinctly recall some brutal shit. Human sacrifice was a thing prior to the Incans forming into an empire. Sacrifice was more occasional and smaller in tribal society. When they formed up an empire human sacrifice was rarer in frequency, and more symbolic - but grander & to a HUGE scale.

I also recall reading human sacrifice during the empire was more politically integrated. 

Just from my memory alone, tribal society wasn't all peace. I am sure there are more examples. Bit of romanticizing is going on to fill in the gaps where real facts should be.... 

Edited 7 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[integral]

I would prefer we didn't call it conservatism, it's simply what is true.

If we call what is true conservatism then there is no leftism. 

Edited 3 hours ago by integral

[Jodistrict]

 

The word “left” should be reserved to economic issues only.  That is, directly confronting a society rigged to make a few people rich while everyone else gets the leftovers, even though those few people are rent seekers who produce nothing useful.  This isn’t discussed in America because all the politicians are corrupt and serve big money.   That is why the American people are continuously frustrated that nothing changes when they vote.  The Iran war is highly unpopular, but the congress is all bought out by big donors who support foreign interests.  It’s their money that counts.   The trends of “gender” and “identity politics” are favored by big money because it creates a distraction and pits the workers against each other so they never focus attention on the real issue – massive wealth injustice.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

The word “left” should be reserved to economic issues only.  T

That makes no sense. Leftists love their LGBTQ causes and such.

Left is about economic and minority equality.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura