Why is Leo subtly spreading conservatism, and gender stereotypes?

[lostingenosmaze]

I think it's not a coincidence that this thread happened while I was watching this video

Leftism sure knows how to encroach themsevles upon my favorite hobbies, that's for certain

Edited yesterday at 06:57 AM by lostingenosmaze

[Xonas Pitfall]

Just to make it clear, I did not mean to claim that leftism or ‘wokeism’ is the ultimate truth and that all conservatism is bad. Please don’t take what I said as that point. I agree that healthy conservatism is very much needed. I apologize, I did not mean to cause that reaction.

Edited yesterday at 07:07 AM by Xonas Pitfall

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Just to make it clear, I did not mean to claim that leftism or ‘wokeism’ is the ultimate truth and that all conservatism is bad. Please don’t take what I said as that point. I agree that healthy conservatism is very much needed. I apologize, I did not mean to cause that reaction.

That is not the issue.

The issue is that you accuse me of bias for saying a few negative things about the left.

Edited yesterday at 07:09 AM by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is not the issue.

The issue is that you accuse me of bias for saying a few negative things about the left.

For the conservatism, I do agree I was wrong, I apologize.

For the gender issues, I do think there are uncalled-for biases here. But I suppose that’s not really the topic here, so I apologize. I realize I caused more drama and conflict than needed, in hindsight, seeing the above comments.

[Leo Gura]

@Xonas Pitfall No worries. Just be mindful of how you judge/project bias.

Edited yesterday at 07:21 AM by Leo Gura

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Conservatism is viewed as terrible at the moment because it’s conflated with fascism and democratic breakdown in the USA. Keep in mind those two things are separate things. Many European countries are conservative but very democratic as well. The USA conservative is authoritarian and just an abhorrent braindead bunch so any real conservatism can’t really escape being seen as anything else currently.  

The USA conservative is technically not even conservative since it wants to tear down institutions. That's revolutionary. 

[Miguel1]

5 hours ago, VioleGrace said:

None of the both side get truth, 

Truth is right beetween those two 

This is too simplistic.

[Terell Kirby]

I wish people would really think through the points Leo is making from his perspective before reacting.

there is truth in the perspective that conservative values can be looked at objectively for principles in living a good life. It’s not about culture wars, it’s about values in which you orient yourself in becoming a responsible adult.

Liberal values/lifestyle also have truths within them, but can devolve into sloppy living if they are not balanced with core principles found within conservative values. Epistemic responsibility first and foremost, is a conservative value when it comes to use of one’s mind.

Life is a game of balance, working toward that is growth.

Edited yesterday at 11:54 AM by Terell Kirby

[Spiral]

Conservative progressivism is pretty solid. Although I reckon many won’t even comprehend the concept

[Rafael Thundercat]

9 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Haha I like the parody. This is so good.

I definitely believe that there are different ways to access truth, and the feminine way can suit some people while the masculine way suits others.

Actually, in Hinduism, there is a goddess called Kali Ma, and she represents the feminine, truth-seeking aspect. She cuts through illusion with her sword. She does it out of love because she wants us to awaken. She represents radical compassion.

In Slavic folklore, there is Baba Yaga, who represents the Wild Mother archetype.

She teaches humans to "kill" the illusions of society and its expectations and to trust their instincts and intuition.

Lila, I follow this woman on IG. Ehat she say in this post is deep. This is the value of the feminine intuition. Is not just something from the mind. Is the inteligence of emotions, isthe way of the body. Emotions have a full conection with the hormonal system and imunology. 

Again as aways she explain better than me here

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXLO3IqlXx7/?igsh=MW9yOGlrZnMxbHJ4NA==

Maybe we as men are so Biased by our physical system that we can understand the power of the feminine. We need ot for balance. And we cant find the balance if we keep rejecting the other perspective. 

Women Rage is needed today more than ever. Pure Raw Rage directed towards Justice. A true Conservative Man, for conservation of Life need to recognize the inteligence of woman bodies. 

i have a big collection of woman wisdom in a IG collection I called "Femenine Revolution " 

Leo Gura teach that the Study of Truth is also to study different perspectives so there is a mountain of perspectives from the half of humans (woman) 

Here one more that points toward the wisdom of the woman body

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXCYieqEUbh/?igsh=MXgxZHVmNWZneHps

Another collection I have is called Amazing Kinship, where I collect the wisdom of animals since they are also another Kin ( non-human animals) who we can learn a lot. 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:42 PM by Rafael Thundercat

[Elliott]

Like Leo was ever Liberal, he was a bit liberterian, but that's right wing not liberal.

On 7/23/2021 at 9:29 PM, Leo Gura said:

 

You assume the selfishness of mankind is a mistake. It is not.

Obviously. I have already factored all that into my calculations.

You are missing the big picture. What you're talking about is the little picture. Scientists' view are always the little picture. They have no vision aside from their calculations and models. If you want to understand where society is headed you need vision beyond any models or charts.

I am not saying no one will suffer. I am saying the suffering will be manageable and pale in comparison to our progress. I am not denying the effects of climate change. Yes, there will be more fires, hurricanes, flooding, droughts, extinctions, etc. But that is not any kind of deal-breaker. All that shit will be managed.

 

On 8/9/2020 at 7:05 AM, Leo Gura said:

I find Rogan's attitude on trans people totally reasonable. He's not against trans people at all. He just makes a distinction when it comes to sports, which is correct.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:16 PM by Elliott

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

14 hours ago, VioleGrace said:

None of the both side get truth, 

Truth is right beetween those two 

I think the truth is somewhere on the left, the question is how far on the left. I agree with the Leo's kind of leftism overall, he seems pretty politically based to me

Also there are a lot of issues that are politically ambiguous and don't really belong to either side

Edited yesterday at 05:41 PM by NewKidOnTheBlock

[VioleGrace]

17 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Which is my point exactly 💯 

Oh yeah sorry misunderstood what you meaned, sly fox 

[VioleGrace]

11 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

This is too simplistic.

What do you mean ? 

[Lila9]

On 4/17/2026 at 4:33 PM, Rafael Thundercat said:

Lila, I follow this woman on IG. Ehat she say in this post is deep. This is the value of the feminine intuition. Is not just something from the mind. Is the inteligence of emotions, isthe way of the body. Emotions have a full conection with the hormonal system and imunology. 

Again as aways she explain better than me here

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXLO3IqlXx7/?igsh=MW9yOGlrZnMxbHJ4NA==

Maybe we as men are so Biased by our physical system that we can understand the power of the feminine. We need ot for balance. And we cant find the balance if we keep rejecting the other perspective. 

Women Rage is needed today more than ever. Pure Raw Rage directed towards Justice. A true Conservative Man, for conservation of Life need to recognize the inteligence of woman bodies. 

i have a big collection of woman wisdom in a IG collection I called "Femenine Revolution " 

Leo Gura teach that the Study of Truth is also to study different perspectives so there is a mountain of perspectives from the half of humans (woman) 

Here one more that points toward the wisdom of the woman body

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXCYieqEUbh/?igsh=MXgxZHVmNWZneHps

Another collection I have is called Amazing Kinship, where I collect the wisdom of animals since they are also another Kin ( non-human animals) who we can learn a lot. 

 

Thank you for the recommendations. Those women are so on point.

Women do have a “witch wound.”

We have been socialized and forced to suppress our intuition, rage, instincts, wisdom, our psychic ability, and the full scale of our emotions (except the emotions that patriarchy is comfortable with, like being nice, pleasing, nurturing, and accommodating).

We are penalized for it and labeled as “difficult women,” but this is exactly our spiritual path as women: to break the illusions of patriarchy and to reclaim our divine feminine. This is why I believe there is a war on femininity, not on masculinity.

Rage in women is so demonized, but as you mentioned, we are in need of sacred rage, the rage that actually moves and transforms things.

Divine rage out of deep love and pain, like Kali. She uses her rage to destroy falsehood and illusions because she is so aware of the truth, loves it deeply, and loves her children enough to liberate them from the falshhood.

Men also need to integrate the divine feminine their intuition, emotions, and wisdom, psychic abilities.

There is also a wild man archetype (not to be confused with a savage man) or the sage. We lack these kinds of men.

We are all, men and women in need of integrating the feminine (because it connects us to life and human nature) due to thousands of years of repression due to patriarchy, colonialism, and imperialism.

And I agree that true conservative men value the feminine. We all started from stage purple, this is our real foundation as species.

At that stage, men worshipped feminine motherhood and acknowledged the divine feminine. There are statues and various paintings worldwide from purple and pagan traditions depicting women, not in an erotic or pornographic way as people today project, but as a symbol of respect and admiration for the divine feminine.

And what you said about kinship of animals is amazing. It ironically reminds us of our human nature. They lead an instinctual life so close to their needs. We can reclaim it by studying them, definitely.

Edited 4 hours ago by Lila9

[Rafael Thundercat]

10 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

(except the emotions that patriarchy is comfortable with, like being nice, pleasing, nurturing, and accommodating).

We can see this in Mórmon woman way to speak for example. As a ex Mórmon only after leaving church I realized they speak in a children tone. Trained to be like that. 

 

10 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Rage in women is so demonized, but as you mentioned, we are in need of sacred rage, the rage that actually moves and transforms things

Check this rage precisely directed to transformation 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXPJX33jgDv/?igsh=MW5hdHdseXRxYWJoaA==

12 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

And I agree that true conservative men value the feminine. We all started from stage purple, this is our real foundation as species.

There is one thing I am hearing from some woman now that is the Matriarchal Men. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXKUhlsFbjW/?img_index=13&igsh=MWcwamt2dGFuaWluMg==

19 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

At that stage, men worshipped feminine motherhood and acknowledged the divine feminine. There are statues and various paintings worldwide from purple and pagan traditions depicting women, not in an erotic or pornographic way as people today project, but as a symbol of respect and admiration for the divine feminine.

The link above from the IG sarah of Magdalene point towards this past we forgot. 

[Nivsch]

@Lila9 Do you think masculinity in its origin was actually softer than what we got used to think about, and only after a while when society became traditional, we started to see a kind of hyper version of it?

Edited 3 hours ago by Nivsch

[Lila9]

30 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Lila9 Do you think masculinity in its origin was actually softer than what we got used to think about, and only after a while when society became traditional, we started to see a kind of hyper version of it?

I think that masculinity, in its origin, is more balanced with the feminine and more connected to life, intuition, protection, and cooperation, rather than the predatory version of masculinity in patriarchy, which is basically imbalanced masculinity (toxic masculinity).

[Nivsch]

12 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I think that masculinity, in its origin, is more balanced with the feminine and more connected to life, intuition, protection, and cooperation, rather than the predatory version of masculinity in patriarchy, which is basically imbalanced masculinity (toxic masculinity).

Why did masculinity become toxic? 

Could it be that men started to feel more threatened in the traditional era, which caused them to become more rigid and closed?

Edited 3 hours ago by Nivsch

[Lila9]

9 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Why did masculinity become toxic? 

Could it be that men started to feel more threat in the traditional era, what caused them to beomce more rigid and closed?

From my understanding and research, I think that there were always men (and maybe women too) in every tribe who were toxic (what we may call today psychopaths or narcissists), but they were controlled and got exiled and died alone if they were antisocial, because tribes with harsh survival conditions couldn't afford to tolerate such people. Humans always cooperated and lived in packs, which gave them protection and fulfilled their needs.

I believe that the turning point came when there were too many tribes but limited natural resources, so those toxic men actually became valuable in fighting other tribes and killing them, and this is how the stage red emerged. Later the agriculture and the domestication of animals and plants began, and the concept of possession started, as well as nuclear families and patriarchy. Manhood suddenly became about control and power rather than cooperation and protection.