Neville Goddard's Wisdom

[CARDOZZO]

I don't really know.

If we are God and a human at the same time, why free will and agency are a lie?

Is it possible to access "God's will" to be your own will? Or is it a Satan's/Devil's desire to control?

[Joseph Maynor]

One question is who is the judger?

[CARDOZZO]

So.. you're basically saying that all humans are doing nothing at all.

They are just machines with no free will. 

This is a deep nihilistic @Holykael vibes. 

Yeah, maybe it is true. If so, I would just wait for God's will to build things.

 

[Oppositionless]

17 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

So.. you're basically saying that all humans are doing nothing at all.

They are just machines with no free will. 

This is a deep nihilistic @Holykael vibes. 

Yeah, maybe it is true. If so, I would just wait for God's will to build things.

 

No not that. It's not mechanistic at all. That's why it's different from stage orange materialist no-free will. It's more like effortless action. 
 

I wouldn't think about this is as a philosophical statement, it's just something you can be conscious of. 
When you get out of the way of the flow of life, God takes the wheel, so to speak.

Edited 3 hours ago by Oppositionless

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Yeah, maybe it is true. If so, I would just wait for God's will to build things.

But if you are God, your will IS his will.

When you think to get up and eat some food, that is your/God's will being done.

When you visualize being rich, that IS how God makes you rich.

I envisioned creating Actualized.org, and here it is. God's will is done.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

58 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

How do you guys live? Is free will and agency a lie?

So... Why are you here? Why do you have goals?

Free will and agency are a lie - I just roll on as if they are true operationally.

That means I take action to influence a potential outcome when opportunity arises. I don't know I will obtain the outcome I desire, I just need to wisdom to know when to act. And then proceed to act on the greatest statistical likelihood of me producing what I want. Pick the right time and thing and take action.

I actually don't mind living this way, because I am way less attached to outcome. And less of my own ego gets in the way - especially professionally

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Free will and agency are a lie - I just roll on as if they are true operationally.

That means I take action to influence a potential outcome when opportunity arises. I don't know I will obtain the outcome I desire, I just need to wisdom to know when to act. And then proceed to act on the greatest statistical likelihood of me producing what I want. Pick the right time and thing and take action.

I actually don't mind living this way, because I am way less attached to outcome. And less of my own ego gets in the way - especially professionally

I guess it kinda depends on what we're calling free will.  

[CARDOZZO]

23 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

No not that. It's not mechanistic at all. That's why it's different from stage orange materialist no-free will. It's more like effortless action. 
 

I wouldn't think about this is as a philosophical statement, it's just something you can be conscious of. 
When you get out of the way of the flow of life, God takes the wheel, so to speak.

Got it. Is it a more nuanced agency/free will?

I will have to contemplate.

[CARDOZZO]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But if you are God, your will IS his will.

When you think to get up and eat some food, that is your/God's will being done.

When you visualize being rich, that IS how God makes you rich.

I envisioned creating Actualized.org, and here it is. God's will is done.

Is it a co-creation process? 

If you are God, do you believe in a pre-scripted life?

Before you were born, Actualized.org was already a reality. 

Do you believe in a specific destiny for each human?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I guess it kinda depends on what we're calling free will.  

Heh heh indeed - it always comes down to defining terms

Also if we speak from relative or absolute 

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[CARDOZZO]

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Free will and agency are a lie - I just roll on as if they are true operationally.

That means I take action to influence a potential outcome when opportunity arises. I don't know I will obtain the outcome I desire, I just need to wisdom to know when to act. And then proceed to act on the greatest statistical likelihood of me producing what I want. Pick the right time and thing and take action.

I actually don't mind living this way, because I am way less attached to outcome. And less of my own ego gets in the way - especially professionally

It seems what Hawkins talks about on Letting Go. (Book)

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Heh heh indeed - it always comes down to defining terms

The focus on meaning can be a bias too, this is an open epistemological question.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

It seems what Hawkins talks about on Letting Go. (Book)

Oooooh! I haven't read this - but I will add it to the list 

[CARDOZZO]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Oooooh! I haven't read this - but I will add it to the list 

All his books are worth to read 😉

[Joseph Maynor]

 

[Oppositionless]

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Got it. Is it a more nuanced agency/free will?

I will have to contemplate.