This Forum Doesn’t Need Moderators

[Leo Gura]

I take Mod abuse seriously. If you have proof of Mod abuse, PM me. Don't post it publicly. I will review it.

Mods are expected to behave decently. Mods do not get to be corrupt here.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Ulax]

Bro tryna turn this into a cod lobby lmao

[Joseph Maynor]

You appreciate mods when you're exposed to an online community where there are weak mods.  The mods on here are good.

[James123]

6 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@James123 it's not about knowing what we are talking about. It's about moderating to keep the place cohesive and constructive.

Yeah. Like jailer. Meanwhile moderators and leo are stuck in them's own jail. 

Therefore, keeping the place cohesive and constructive is impossible. 

Constructiveness is possible, Only, when mind is free or dead. And Constructiveness is not about external action, all within.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Therefore, keeping the place cohesive and constructive is impossible. 

This is very black/white and absolutist.

Just because getting a perfect outcome is impossible, doesn't mean we should give up.

No need to cling to perfectionism. Half-way measures can suffice.

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This is very black/white and absolutist.

Just because getting a perfect outcome is impossible, doesn't mean we should give up.

No need to cling to perfectionism. Half-way measures can suffice.

Only I am saying because, Anything you decided what is right or wrong belongs to your belief system. Everyone beliefs are different than each other. For you is right for others might be wrong.

So how can you be constructive with following a belief or belief system?

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Only I am saying because, Anything you decided what is right or wrong belongs to your belief system. Everyone beliefs are different than each other. For you is right for others might be wrong.

So how can you be constructive with following a belief or belief system?

I understand that part - that is on the individual.

But moderators, ideally, moderate according to: 

https://www.actualized.org/forum/guidelines/

So it is not each moderators PERSONAL beliefs (at least, this is not the overarching arbiter, moderators still need to use their own judgment) it is the ideals and beliefs as stipulated in the guidelines.

Not all beliefs are bad, especially when they pertain to social systems. They can effectively minimise harm and increase harmony. 

I don't mean to split hairs here, just do not want to lead anyone to think moderators should be performing like cowboys banning or issuing points, censoring or timeouts because someone has a different opinion or belief. Imagine if I banned you because I disagree with your statements? ROFL 

[Joseph Maynor]

Leo ultimately controls what appears on this site.  That's the right of ownership.  So you need to know where you are.  

[James123]

31 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Not all beliefs are bad,

This is a belief itself.

31 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

like cowboys banning or issuing points, censoring or timeouts because someone has a different opinion or belief. Imagine if I banned you because I disagree with your statements? ROFL 

This is exactly what I said, this is still a belief.

@Natasha Tori Maru why don't you surrender and free the mind first, after that be the moderator to help to people to be free, after that there is no guard needed. Because, in your and leos system, the guards are in prison itself.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

This is a belief itself.

This is exactly what I said, this is still a belief.

So? 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

So? 

Therefore, misleads inevatibly.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

Therefore, misleads inevatibly.

Has a use though. 

[cetus]

@Monster Energy You've been here for just over 6 months, but after 10 years, I can tell you you're only getting a snapshot. And things for the most part are good now. But there was a time when things were getting really ugly around here. You couldn't keep up with it. Nasty name calling, personal insults flying left and right. It was out of control. There even used to be a thumbs up/ thumbs down button that someone could hit besides someone else's reply that was trusted to be used with discretion. But if someone had a nasty bout with another member, they would intentionally follow them and leave a thumbs down on every reply they made just to get even. So that had to be deleted because it was being used as a weapon.

So, the bottom line is, anything goes just doesn't work.

[Nercohype]

Maybe it is his ego that tells him that "chaos" is good 🤔. Remember that the ego will whisper sweet words to you. Not all thoughts are your own. Words do have immense power. Do not underestimate that.

The universe is a mind, and it has a personality. Of course it sees and cares. Saying that we should embrace chaos just because it is uncomfortable is wrong. It's not about embracing everything within chaos.

We need to learn to go beyond our comfort in ways that help us grow — not for the sake of being chaotic. Again, balance is needed.

Balance means that everything is one, and at the same time, everything is independent. Both are true simultaneously. Balance!!

I see many here struggle with balance. They either go completely to one side or the other. No! We are all separate, individual beings, and yet at the same time, we are one — there are no others. It is the same.

[Jowblob]

Rules and honesty both matter more,imagine you and your friends are playing s game together.
Some kids say:We should be able to say anything we want, no fucking rules!!!!
Other kids say: We need rules so nobody gets hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But here's the thing, both sides are kinda missing the point.
Being honest is really important, if you're upset, it's okey to say so and keeping everything bottled up makes conversations fake, like when everyone just says:i'm fine, even when they're not.
But there's a big difference between:
Saying i'm really frustrated right now, and just yelling you're stupid CARL!!!!!
The second one is how you feel in the moment, but it doesn't actually help anyone understand anything. It just hurts people and makes everything wilder and more chaotic.
If everyone just shouted whatever they wanted all the time in the classroom, nobody could learn anything. The shouting would kill all the good ideas.Growing up isn't about saying everything you feel, it's about noticing what you're feeling and thinking about how to share it in a way that actually helps.Most of us humans still need some rules to help us do that. It's not bad it's just being human.The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle:1.be real and honest. 2. try not to just dump your feelings like a bucket of mud on everyone because freedom without any self control doesn't make things better,it usually just makes things really chaotic

And that's why we need mods even if they don't always get it right and make mistakes often like (1 particular mod) (can't have only good mods) - Duality

Edited 52 minutes ago by Jowblob

[Joseph Maynor]

I feel like a lot of reaction is due to someone playing the role of fake guru.  Then that creates a need to deal with this issue.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I think some of the issue is how people interact with and view authority. A lot of people's relationship to authority is very, very sensitive and deep rooted. It goes back to childhood. Then school. Then law. Society. Some of the wounds from it are actually complexes.

People feel totally subjugated by it. And that can be projected onto the moderators and Leo as the authority in this small realm. Users also forget that opinions and views expressed by moderators are just that - opinions and views. This needs to be seperated in people's minds from the role of moderator. For example - how many users consider how they strip the mods of the right to an opinion because of their role? All due to fear of disagreement. Unclear boundaries.

If there is any distrust, and there always will be with sound questioning and critical assessment, everything stands to be questioned. 

The egos relationship to authority is a big topic.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@cetus rofl I have lurked these forums for a long time - I recall all of what you describe!

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think some of the issue is how people interact with and view authority. A lot of people's relationship to authority is very, very sensitive and deep rooted. It goes back to childhood. Then school. Then law. Society. Some of the wounds from it are actually complexes.

People feel totally subjugated by it. And that can be projected onto the moderators and Leo as the authority in this small realm. Users also forget that opinions and views expressed by moderators are just that - opinions and views. This needs to be seperated in people's minds from the role of moderator. For example - how many users consider how they strip the mods of the right to an opinion because of their role? All due to fear of disagreement. Unclear boundaries.

If there is any distrust, and there always will be with sound questioning and critical assessment, everything stands to be questioned. 

The egos relationship to authority is a big topic.

I agree.  But egos also differ to the degree that they try to create authority and the manner in which they do so as well.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

I agree.  But egos also differ to the degree that they try to create authority and the manner in which they do so as well.  

Absolutely. And some moderators have their ego corrupt by their role thinking their words have more gravity.