This Forum Doesn’t Need Moderators

[Monster Energy]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

In this day and age, if you're offended by "fuck you" on the internet, you need more "fuck you"s, you lack basic social development, let alone anything advanced. If you're offended by "fuck you" you do not belong on an advanced forum.

I agree. Didn’t Leo say he wouldn’t care if someone tortured him just for fun? But people here start crying because someone writes ‘fuck you’? That’s pretty pathetic.

 

[vibv]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

In this day and age, if you're offended by "fuck you" on the internet, you need more "fuck you"s, you lack basic social development, let alone anything advanced. If you're offended by "fuck you" you do not belong on an advanced forum.

It's not about being offended, it's about quality of discourse.

If this forum would be just shouting insults at each other I wouldn't even be here.

Wishing to insult isn't advanced, it's depraved.

Edited 7 hours ago by vibv

[Monster Energy]

1 minute ago, vibv said:

If we're talking about that, an online forum is not the right place for this kind of catharsis. I think that's the real issue here.

I respect that you see it that way, but I stand by what I think.

 

 

[Elliott]

25 minutes ago, vibv said:

It's not about being offended, it's about quality of discourse.

If this forum would be just shouting insults at each other I wouldn't even be here.

Wishing to insult isn't advanced, it's depraved.

That's not what's being discussed, advanced people easily look past "insults". Not that passive aggressive insults are even moderated AT ALL anywhere on the internet.

There's no difference between " did I say something that offended you?", and " shut up pussy".

Why would a low quality poster stick around a forum of high quality posters?

Edited 6 hours ago by Elliott

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

That's not what's being discussed, advanced people easily look past "insults".

I don't know what your idea of "advanced" is, but this discussion isn't worth my time anymore.

This thread is the perfect example for the need of moderation, because otherwise this forum would quickly degenerate into a cesspool.

It's very hard to build something of value and very easy to just shit all over it.

[Elliott]

20 minutes ago, vibv said:

I don't know what your idea of "advanced" is, but this discussion isn't worth my time anymore.

This thread is the perfect example for the need of moderation, because otherwise this forum would quickly degenerate into a cesspool.

It's very hard to build something of value and very easy to just shit all over it.

So now what would a low quality poster like me do if you don't respond to me? Keep having your high quality discussion and ice out the idiots, they'll leave. It's self moderating, you don't even have to think about it, just don't engage with those you wish not to engage with.

Learn to regulate your own emotions instead of relying on others/moderators. This isn't even advanced, it's a basic social skill. Meanwhile, the most ignorant users are who need this forum the most and learn the most.

Edited 6 hours ago by Elliott

[Someone here]

Honestly not in the cards.  Just undoable. Obviously you can't just get away with posting whatever the fuck you want . Please present something more reasonable. 

[LordFall]

3 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

I’m not talking about physical violence. I’m talking about speech. Words should be allowed, even harsh ones. People should be free to say what they actually think and deal with the consequences socially, not through heavy moderation.

 

It’s obvious you haven’t really thought this through, because the way you framed it sounds pretty strange. But that’s not really an excuse. Maybe stop judging so quickly and actually think things through a bit in your life.

 

 

I've thought it through considerably. To have a valuable community you need people with a similar goal and rules of socialization and engagement. Otherwise you get a shit show like 4 chan. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, vibv said:

If we're talking about that, an online forum is not the right place for this kind of catharsis. I think that's the real issue here.

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We would have to ask Leo, but this isn't a therapy room. 

@Monster Energy you are touching on the concept of 'Emptying' which can be useful, but I do not think is the intent of the forum. 

Genuine expression doesn't constitute shitting on someone else. Authenticity is not a justification for feral behaviour. Explanation can slip into justification when boundaries are unclear or not respected.

[Monster Energy]

24 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I've thought it through considerably. To have a valuable community you need people with a similar goal and rules of socialization and engagement. Otherwise you get a shit show like 4 chan. 

Quality doesn’t come from rules. It comes from people. 4chan is the kind of place that needs heavy moderation and strict rules. This forum isn’t supposed to be that. Leo’s whole message is about raising consciousness and growing as a person. You can’t seriously talk about evolution of consciousness while policing every harsh word people say. Growth isn’t always polite. Sometimes it’s uncomfortable, sometimes it includes harsh words or even personal attacks. That’s part of honesty. Trying to sanitize everything just slows the whole process down.

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Quality doesn’t come from rules. It comes from people. 4chan is the kind of place that needs heavy moderation and strict rules. This forum isn’t supposed to be that. Leo’s whole message is about raising consciousness and growing as a person. You can’t seriously talk about evolution of consciousness while policing every harsh word people say. Growth isn’t always polite. Sometimes it’s uncomfortable, sometimes it includes harsh words or even personal attacks. That’s part of honesty. Trying to sanitize everything just slows the whole process down.

 

 

No. Not personal attacks. Attack ideas not character. 

Growth comes from pressure, not things that can constitute abuse. 

'this forum isn't supposed to be that' - while I agree, this is an ideal. Ideals sometimes do not measure up to reality. 

Just be polite and respectful to others. It really isn't hard. If you feel triggered egoically empty that into another medium, return and address the points raised. As soon as you devolve to character attacks its a no. 

You will learn how to manage emotions and feelings as you grow and gain more experience in life.

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

No. Not personal attacks. Attack ideas not character. 

Growth comes from pressure, not things that can constitute abuse. 

'this forum isn't supposed to be that' - while I agree, this is an ideal. Ideals sometimes do not measure up to reality. 

Just be polite and respectful to others. It really isn't hard. If you feel triggered egoically empty that into another medium, return and address the points raised. As soon as you devolve to character attacks is a no. 

You will learn how to manage emotions and feelings as you grow and gain more experience in life.

It's the people that want it moderated that can't manage their emotions. They're words, made up sounds, made up meanings.

Edited 3 hours ago by Elliott

[Monster Energy]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

No. Not personal attacks. Attack ideas not character. 

Growth comes from pressure, not things that can constitute abuse. 

'this forum isn't supposed to be that' - while I agree, this is an ideal. Ideals sometimes do not measure up to reality. 

Just be polite and respectful to others. It really isn't hard. If you feel triggered egoically empty that into another medium, return and address the points raised. As soon as you devolve to character attacks its a no. 

You will learn how to manage emotions and feelings as you grow and gain more experience in life.

I get the distinction you’re making. But real conversations between humans aren’t always clean and polite. Sometimes emotions spill over and things get messy. That doesn’t automatically make it abuse. It’s just part of honest human interaction, and it can even be healthy for the bigger picture. When you react strongly to attacks you end up only seeing the negative side of them. I do agree that personal attacks should be a minority, but they should still be allowed to exist.

 

 

[integral]

Its easy to think we dont needs mods when the mods do there job.

The crazy goes unseen.  

[Monster Energy]

4 minutes ago, integral said:

Its easy to think we dont needs mods when the mods do there job.

The crazy goes unseen.  

I can tell you only read the title and not the whole post. Nice work.

 

[bazera]

6 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

If the goal of this forum is higher consciousness and radical self-honesty, then too much moderation can also limit authentic expression.

Who said the goal of the forum was that?

I think you overestimate what a forum is supposed to be. And if you take all the variables into account of what makes a healthy community, moderation is a big part of it.

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You can’t seriously talk about evolution of consciousness while policing every harsh word people say. Growth isn’t always polite.

I've been around here for a decade reading posts daily and I've seen so many harsh things people say and getting away with so many things. 

It just doesn't make sense to me how some people are just asking to get banned. You won't behave like an asshole in a community that you value and benefit in some way. 

Yeah if we were all were saints and sages we won't be needing a moderation and policing, but in that case we won't be needing a forum either probably.

Just try to create a community without moderation, see where it goes, then get back to us and report your results.

Moderation necessity doesn't come out of thin air, it's based on an actual need that's being met with it.

Again, if you act decent, I don't think mods or Leo will restrict you. At least that's my experience so far.

Edited 3 hours ago by bazera

[integral]

17 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

I can tell you only read the title and not the whole post. Nice work.

 

[integral]

Corruption is built into us all.

We need to set our selves up for success with intelligent anti-corruption systems.

A Community without these systems is easily overrun by the conflicting agenda of least conscious in the group.

With out highly intelligence mechanisms nothing of value can be produced because the least conscious people climbed to the top. 

People in a group behave no more then wild apes with out rules because selfishness is easier then selflessness.

We all need to sacrifice to get the community we really want. 

Its no surprise the worse people on earth always make there way to the top.

You can only rise to the level of the systems holding you up.

How can leo of done his work if he had to grow his own food and hunt? It would be impossible.

How do we expect people to raise to there highest selves with out great systems? 

Edited 2 hours ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Monster Energy if you are after a place for emptying, you could propose a free-for-all subforum with no moderation.

My only concern with that - there's a solid possibility a lack of rules free-for-all area may bleed into the rest of the website and degrade dialogue.

Personally I would empty into a journal 

Are you afraid of being banned? Afraid of violating a rule and having a moderator attend? These might be questions to ponder. 

Overall of you want to see an example of heavy moderation where disagreements of opinion are moderated, rather than just poor behaviour - Reddit lol

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[James123]

8 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

Honestly, I think this website would be better without moderators. People should be able to express themselves however they want, even if that includes personal attacks. We’re here because we follow Leo Gura, and supposedly that means we’re working toward higher consciousness than the average person. If that’s true, then we should also have enough awareness to understand that letting people say what they really think isn’t a problem. The higher the consciousness, the more understanding there should be that it’s not wrong to speak your mind. Let it out, deal with it, and grow from it. Because the whole idea of moderators and rigid rules honestly feels like a low-consciousness way of handling things.

 

 

Don't worry, %90 of mods plus Leo has no idea what they are talking about. Either being here or not, creating this forum or not don't matter.