Destiny foreign policy is very Western biased and Stage Orange

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, Shermaningeorgia said:

A country might have good reason to invade another.  There can be a feasible case for a pre-emptive strike on a country leading to war.  You mentioned no wars the USA starts. it's never that black and white.

I do not buy the idea of pre-emptive strikes. This is BS that aggressive countries invented to justify starting wars and blaming the defending side.

People who talk about pre-emptive strikes are war-mongers.

Edited March 15 by Leo Gura

[Shermaningeorgia]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I do not buy the idea of pre-emptive strikes. This is BS that aggressive countries invented to justify starting wars and blaming the defending side.

People who talk about pre-emptive strikes are war-mongers.

There can be cases where it's necessary. it's not as black and white as you're making out. And that countries cannot use intelligence, when spying is ubitiquous as it stands, to forestall a threat before it arises. it's not unfeasible, and not as blunted as you're making out. Pearl harbor is an example - https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/us-intelligence-failures-pearl-harbor.  Not every war is like Iraq with patently bs intelligence.

Edited March 15 by Shermaningeorgia

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Shermaningeorgia said:

There can be cases where it's necessary. it's not as black and white as you're making out. 

I have yet to see such a case.

[Shermaningeorgia]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I have yet to see such a case.

I linked such above. Which is well-proven. Because you've never seen nor known somethng, it doesn't mean it cannot exist.

[Leo Gura]

@Shermaningeorgia You are nitpicking a thing that doesn't need to be.

Missing a valid war is not our problem.

This is like me worrying what I will do if I find 3 naked girls in my bed.

I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

Edited March 15 by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Leo Gura Do you think that there is a valid reason for war with Iran on the count that Iran has been killing the protestors?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres

They also support proxy groups such as Hezbollah which are responsible for destabilization, and are accused of pursuing a nuclear weapon. Are these not valid reasons for a war?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Do you think that there is a valid reason for war with Iran on the count that Iran has been killing the protestors?

Absolutely not.

Their internal affairs are not our business.

Respect the sovereignty of nations.

North Korea has nukes. Pakistan has nukes. Israel has nukes. Russia has nukes.

Iran having nukes is no big deal.

War with Iran is purely a Zionist project. Netanyahu has been pushing that war for 25 years and he can go fuck himself.

Edited March 16 by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Leo Gura What about Iran’s support of proxy groups such as Hezbollah, Houthis, Popular Mobilization Forces, etc…

I’m Lebanese and Hezbollah has been responsible for a lot of destabilization sectarianism, and corruption. 

Also not a valid reason for war?

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

@Leo Gura What about Iran’s support of proxy groups such as Hezbollah, Houthis, Popular Mobilization Forces, etc…

I’m Lebanese and Hezbollah has been responsible for a lot of destabilization sectarianism, and corruption. 

Also not a valid reason for war?

Not valid in my view because Palestine has legit greivances.

US supports lots of proxy groups around the world. Not a reason for Russia to invade America.

You can't stop Palestine by war with Iran.

Edited March 16 by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I didn’t mention their support for Hamas, my main grievance is with Hezbollah, which has become a state within a state

Edited March 16 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I didn’t mention their support for Hamas, my main grievance is with Hezbollah, which has become a state within a state

How can you disconnect them?

It's the same cause.

Zionists pissed off all their neighbors.

Edited March 16 by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

But Persians are not Arab Palestinians. Lebanese are not Palestinians. Why are they so concerned? 

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

But Persians are not Arab Palestinians. Lebanese are not Palestinians. Why are they so concerned? 

And Americans are not Ukrainians. Why are they so concerned?

[zazen]

5 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

But Persians are not Arab Palestinians. Lebanese are not Palestinians. Why are they so concerned? 

Why were they concerned about apartheid  South Africa? 

SA isn’t Shia, Muslim or Arab.

Theres also definitely a geopolitical angle ie wanting to have strategic depth against Israel who view Iran as the enemy, including its backer the US/West who has long vied Iran as such.

 

Edited March 16 by zazen

[Elliott]

U.S. is justified attacking Iran because hezbollah attacks Israel. But hezbollah is not justified attacking Israel because Israel attacks Palestine? Israel started all this.

Edited March 16 by Elliott

[Lyubov]

“Justifiable wars” ??? What a load of shit. Some of you guys are so far from god and truth. You can justify defending yourself sure, but of course people who want to wage war will just lie and say they were defending themselves (IE: Trump with Iran “drones were coming to California”, Putin with Ukraine “we are defending from nazis” 

Edited March 16 by Lyubov

[Lyubov]

33 minutes ago, Elliott said:

U.S. is justified attacking Iran because hezbollah attacks Israel. But hezbollah is not justified attacking Israel because Israel attacks Palestine? Israel started all this.

Of course they did. They didn’t even exist before 1948, a British Zionsit brainchild that got out of hand. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Leo Gura What do you think about America’s current stranglehold on Cuba?

Obama partially lifted the Cuba Embargo. But Trump now has not only not undone that, but added additional sanctions and imposed a (oil) blockades.

Now the Island nation is suffering from severe power blackouts and an economic meltdown.

Why is Trump doing this? Why is it that Obama wanted to end the embargo (but didn’t because Congress didn’t let him) ? Why is Trump being so cruel to Cuba when they’ve done nothing to us?

Such a stark difference between Obama and Trump.

Edited Monday at 11:53 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Leo Gura]

@Husseinisdoingfine Capitalists hate Cuba and want nothing more than to capture it and make it a lapdog of American empire.

I'm sure that right now the CIA under Trump is drafting a plan for how to capture Cuba. And Trump will rubber-stamp it.

They are absolutely shameless about Cuba. They are still salty about the Bay of Pigs failure. They will easily try another Bay of Pigs under Trump.

Edited Tuesday at 12:06 AM by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I myself don’t agree with the one-party Marxist-Leninist government of Cuba or State Socialist economics, but the newly imposed oil blockade is hurting innocent people.

Average people lost their access to electricity and there’s no gas to fuel trash collection, so trash is piling up and spreading diseases. A problem which didn’t exist before Trump’s new blockade.

Do these rich people not understand what is it like to live like this? These Republicans are psychopaths.