suicide consuquences

[Franz_]

I’ve noticed that a lot of religions seem to say that if someone dies by suicide something worse happens than if they just die normally.

Like in Christianity people talk about going to hell, in Buddhism some people say it can lead to a worse rebirth, etc. or just rebirth

Do you think there’s actually some truth behind that? Or do you think religions mainly added those ideas to scare people away from doing it?

@Leo Gura just curious about what you and everyone here think about that

Edited 21 hours ago by Franz_

[Willy Phallicus]

If there was no threat of hell I would have blown my fuckin head off a long time ago.  Another part of me says there's nothing to lose because there's nothing to save.

I don't really believe any of that but just in case this experience is not just an accidental absurdity but rather a gift given in good faith through good will by a living transcendence of pure freedom and infinitely exquisite and boundless joy that holds a promise too marvelous to be imagined, it might be worth sticking around to see it through.  So that's what I hang my hat on these days.

[Hojo]

Depends on how you do it. Most people who suicide do it out of anger or fear or sadness. Well if you have those and take the headset off those emotions compound x 1000000. Then when you put the headset back on there you are in the same state and the world will reflect that.

People think that suicide will help them somehow releive their emotional and mental problems. Your emotions are before all your theories linguistical problems. Take the linguistics away and the emotions are still there.

Only now you cant stop yourself and think them through.

You cant actually kill yourself. People that try are trying to run from something they cant get away from even in death.

The headset is there as a vehicle to change your states as God. Once in God mode you cant change your state you are the state.

Edited 20 hours ago by Hojo

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

You cant actually kill yourself. People that try are trying to run from something they cant get away from even in death.

Exactly. Here on Earth is your chance to do the work, not in some kind of afterlife.

It has cost a lot of work & time to get you to the place you're at now, don't just throw it away. You'd have to live all of this again (in some way or another) just to start working on those issues again.

[Yeah Yeah]

I want out - Like if I'm infinite god intelligence then where is the exit button or do I have to commit suicide - spiritual teachers love to say oh you are awareness of the dream character, you are not the identity being played, but you are the conciosuness making this happen, and they say I am god and yet they do not explain how to wake up from this dream - I want out - Government assisted suicide should be legalzied for all time periods and cultures of human history and civilizations - I hate life.

Edited 13 hours ago by Yeah Yeah

[Yeah Yeah]

I'm not afraid what happens after since my personal research and spiritual insights point to heavenly realms and unconditional love as the ground of being on the other side - What prevents me from committing suicide is the brain damage and survival worse off if it fails and once you attempt to end the body you can't control the outcome - Also there is the problem of spirit guides or Christ conciosuenss avatars in the astral realms that could possibly dictate what happens to you next and force you back into another life or body or to come back in the broken body you tried to exit but honestly I want to bitch slap the spirit guides and get answers what the fuck is going on 

Edited 14 hours ago by Yeah Yeah

[cetus]

18 minutes ago, Yeah Yeah said:

my personal research and spiritual insights point to heavenly realms and unconditional love as the ground of being on the other side -

 You can access everything you speak of here and now.

[Leo Gura]

Only one way to find out.

But I advise against that experiment.

[Willie]

Isn’t life and death a duality that collapses? I’m not sure suicide solves anything.

[Yeah Yeah]

@cetus How? Enlighten me. Because I can't snap my fingers and get divine clarity about life. If I'm homeless or starving on the street or having to die into an unknown afterlife from a painful accident  then the idea of being here and now doesn't fix the problems of life or produce money or have a life saving saviour  nor reduce pain and suffering

Edited 10 hours ago by Yeah Yeah

[Nemra]

@Franz_, nobody knows what would happen after the body stops functioning permanently. It could be worse or great.

[Yeah Yeah]

Also I think the fear of death is a part of the game of god discovering itself, for example discovering you are eternal life and death was just a fiction as a what if - that's another fair decent idea. Or some spiritual teachers are backwards sometimes saying some will not rest after death so it doesn't seem to be the same experience for everyone which makes it confusing. Or its sophistic as Leo says so it's only you and others don't die as you think it to be  

Edited 8 hours ago by Yeah Yeah

[Yeah Yeah]

This was a reason Shakespeare's hamlet didn't jump to his death to commit suicide - Wether it is better to endure the pains and injustices of the human condition or risk the unknown of what happens after

[vibv]

7 hours ago, Yeah Yeah said:

 I hate life.

You can't escape it. But it's possible to love. Takes work though.

[Willy Phallicus]

2 hours ago, Yeah Yeah said:

Wether it is better to endure the pains and injustices of the human condition or risk the unknown of what happens after

Being completely fucked is not without value because some truths only emerge when there is nothing left to do and nowhere to run.

Suffering leads to wisdom and wisdom leads to evolution.  The goal is not to spare yourself the horror or save yourself from the suffering - nor is it to be redeemed so as to return to perfect bliss - the goal is to make the suffering of existence productive - to use it to give substance to the fluff that is you in order to forge your soul and liberate your spirit.

 

[Chives99]

why would reality moralise suicide, thats just societies making people feel guilty

[Someone here]

Suicide means you are suffering..nothing could be more obvious.  We don't actually want to die..that's not the default of humans .but the equation is :unbearable suffering +zero hope or alternative soultion in sight = Suicide. 

Yes ..most Eastern religions say if you die by killing yourself you will reincarnate in a lesser life form like an animal or insect.. .and Abrahamic religions say if you kill yourself you will go to hell. 

20 hours ago, Franz_ said:

Do you think there’s actually some truth behind that? Or do you think religions mainly added those ideas to scare people away from doing it?

I feel like there is some truth to it . If not..then why does it not feel right? 

Edited 1 hour ago by Someone here

[Willy Phallicus]

Some time after ego submission when Im laughing off physical death...I dont know how to properly explain it...but basically its like "are ya ready to go?" Like I know I can die right there and move into a world of my own creation without a hitch.  Towards the end of every big shroom trip I take there are points where my breathing is drastically slowed to a point where I have not taken a breath for a solid two minutes and Ill get some kind of signal that if I want to...erm..leave, just dont take another breath.  No pain, no fear, no angst.  If I want to stay, just breathe.

In every scenario Im called back because it actually feels more exciting to me to finish off and become the hero of this human story.  Like the pay off for staying will be just rewarding as anything else I could dream of and this is always accompanied by a sense of everything being perfect and I am already precisely where I want to be, doing exactly what I want and need to do.  Then god pats me on the head and salutes my perseverance, courage and strength.

I feel its worth noting that in studies of suicide survivors, bridge jumpers in particular, their immediate first thought after leaping is more or less "I made the wrong decision here".  They instantly regret trying to kill themselves while in the act.  

Here's what I would say - if its just going to be a pity party and add to the misery (which there is already enough of) then find a way to keep going because in some way you would be forsaking the gift and you definitely don't to step into the abyss of eternity with a bitch heart and subservient bitch mentality.  

 

[Someone here]

14 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Some time after ego submission when Im laughing off physical death...I dont know how to properly explain it...but basically its like "are ya ready to go?" Like I know I can die right there and move into a world of my own creation without a hitch.  Towards the end of every big shroom trip I take there are points where my breathing is drastically slowed to a point where I have not taken a breath for a solid two minutes and Ill get some kind of signal that if I want to...erm..leave, just dont take another breath.  No pain, no fear, no angst.  If I want to stay, just breathe.

 

"Ego Submission " is the key word . It's as if you are unconscious or drunk or the like ..then it's easy to decide to "go" in a split second without second thought. Kinda like to jump off a plane skydiving you gotta decide without thinking.

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, Someone here said:

It's as if you are unconscious or drunk

It's the opposite - absolute consciousness and clarity. 

Just now, Someone here said:

then it's easy to decide to "go" in a split second without second thought.

Well Im still here so that's not how it went. 

As I explained there is a weighing of options that plays out over several long minutes and with that aforementioned clarity I realize there is nowhere else I would rather be and I am already doing exactly what I want.