Deep Pain (Deeper Than Depression) - Dr. K

[Natasha Tori Maru]

17 hours ago, ici said:

How could you be minimalistic and not be bored? Sounds paradoxical to me.

Do you really not seek a different experience after the 1000 times you’ve done the same thing over and over again?

What excites you? Don’t tell me your casual everyday routine is exciting to you.

Yeah, my casual everyday routine. Because it's never, ever the same. There's always a surprise. Always novelty. 

Most people just fail to see it.

[integral]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

unquantifiable and unknown effect?

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CO2 review — Indoor Air, 2020: A review of 37 experimental studies found that elevated indoor CO2 — whether from adding pure CO2 or from reduced ventilation — can impair multiple cognitive functions. Wiley Online Library One referenced study found 15% lower cognitive scores at just 945 ppm CO2, and 50% lower scores at 1400 ppm — levels that are easily reached in a bedroom or small office with the door closed.

^ This is just CO2 levels. 

All studies connecting brain function to -> CO₂, VOCs, formaldehyde, PM2.5, cleaning products, fragrances, laundry detergent, temperature, humidity, low oxygen, secondhand smoke, candle smoke, cooking fumes, mold, lead, flame retardants, pesticides, BPA, noise, lighting, radon, toluene, EMF

This is quantifiable!

1. CO₂ / poor ventilation — up to 50% decline
2. VOCs (building materials, paint, furniture) — up to 101% lower scores
3. Formaldehyde (pressed wood, insulation) — 17–21% greater impairment risk
4. Indoor PM2.5 — 0.8–0.9% slower per 10 µg/m³
5. Household cleaning products — up to 3.59× odds of decline
6. Synthetic fragrances / phthalates — 3–7.6 IQ points lost
7. Laundry detergent / fabric softener — 25+ hazardous VOCs emitted, no direct cognitive study
8. Temperature extremes — 2% per °C above 25°C, up to 15% at extremes
9. Humidity — up to 11% decline in hot-humid conditions
10. Hypoxia / low oxygen — up to 36% drop in processing speed
11. Secondhand smoke — 2–5 IQ points, 44–70% higher impairment odds
12. Candle / incense smoke — significant drops across memory, processing speed, executive function
13. Cooking fumes — 18–30% higher decline risk
14. Mold / mycotoxins — impairment comparable to mild TBI
15. Lead — 2.6–7.4 IQ points lost, no safe threshold
16. Flame retardants / PBDEs — 3.7–5.5 IQ points lost
17. Organophosphate pesticides — 5.5–7.0 IQ points lost
18. BPA / microplastics — up to 2.86 IQ points (BPF in boys)
19. Noise — 2-month reading delay per 5 dB, significant memory impairment
20. Poor lighting / dim light — up to 42% lower cognitive scores
21. Radon — 21% of self-regulation variance, Alzheimer's correlation
22. Toluene — altered brain connectivity at WHO-limit levels
23. Electromagnetic fields — no significant effect (WHO review)
24. Wall color — task-type interaction, not a deficit

 

There is no need for a any of these studies, self experimentation and observation easily shows this, there needs to be a epistemic desire.

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You have no idea if air quality makes any meaningful difference to someone.

Yes i do. I have run hundreds of experiments on my self and others and connected dots people have no idea exists.

Dr k was told from birth that his checklist makes him healthy, epistemic mistake. So he discovers deep pain a reductionist blind spot. A guru will say its spiritual, more reductionism and lack of holism.

They are partly right. 

[integral]

7 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Raising Consciousness is ultimately what brings back that childhood intensity. That's why Tolle talks so much about sensing the Aliveness in every moment, in every particle. Even the bible says "unless you change and become like little children you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." 

Apart from all the practical stuff we can do for physical health, learning how to actually feel all the way through deep emotional pain is a skill that hardly anyone was taught growing up. Joe Hudson is definitely on the leading edge of those who are helping people to fully heal emotionally. Underneath is a process that I found really valuable.

I have found that the people who benefit from these kinds of teachings are those who are likely going to benefit from it because of pre-existing childhood, genetics, health and circumstance.

The few people who benefit from these kinds of things are prebuilt for it, it doesn't work for the vast majority.

Its NOT all is your head. The all in your head tolle narrative is wrong. 

 

The context here is "deep pain" for people who are already well off in life like Dr.K.

The point of view that you're making basically is that he lacks spiritual development. And the point that making in this case is that this is reductionism.

 

It's like taking an antipsychotic every day and expecting to be high consciousness consistently. This is the effect of health. 

Education and growing up is an important factor, but most people bodies are so restricted that non of this will work for them. Growing up has to co-happen with ingenious biological intervention that no one teachs because they dont know whats happening.

The point of psychedelics is to temporarily boost and remove limiters of the body for growth and development. What im saying is most people live with brain fog 24/7 from enviromental factors. So of course there disfunctional.

The environment directly effects level of consciousness.

You cannot have sustains states of clarity with mindset alone and breathing toxic chemicals all day.

Edited yesterday at 01:42 PM by integral

[Cred]

It's neither air quality nor ego. It's capitalism

[integral]

Would you smoke an antipsychotic every day and expect to be high consciousness? NO! So why are you breathing 50 toxic chemicals all day. 

[Wilhelm44]

22 minutes ago, integral said:

I have found that the people who benefit from these kinds of teachings are those who are likely going to benefit from it because of pre-existing childhood, genetics, health and circumstance.

The few people who benefit from these kinds of things are prebuilt for it, it doesn't work for the vast majority.

Its NOT all is your head. The all in your head tolle narrative is wrong. 

 

The context here is "deep pain" for people who are already well off in life like Dr.K.

The point of view that you're making basically is that he lacks spiritual development. And the point that making in this case is that this is reductionism.

 

It's like taking an antipsychotic every day and expecting to be high consciousness consistently. This is the effect of health. 

Education and growing up is an important factor, but most people bodies are so restricted that non of this will work for them. Growing up has to co-happen with ingenious biological intervention that no one teachs because they dont know whats happening.

The point of psychedelics is to temporarily boost and remove limiters of the body for growth and development. What im saying is most people live with brain fog 24/7 from enviromental factors. So of course there disfunctional.

The environment directly effects level of consciousness.

You cannot have sustains states of clarity with mindset alone and breathing toxic chemicals all day.

Where did I say that it's all head, if anything it's all sensation. Whether it's childhood trauma or deep existential pain, both are sensation. And the better we get at feeling/experiencing in ever deeper and more subtle ways, the better we get at having breakthroughs in any of these areas. The process i shared there is gold, try it before you knock it.

[QVx]

On 13/03/2026 at 1:02 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

What does the boredom feel like?

I really struggle to relate to people who feel boredom. It is not something I ever experience. Unfamiliar to me.

Maybe it is because I am fairly minimalistic in habits and living.

Boredom feels like having energy but nowhere meaningful to direct it.

We are certainly at a point in humanity and civilisation where there is so much energy available within the collective, and even in ourselves, but no real purpose to direct it towards.

It is like we are stuck on the threshold of something greater than whatever has been yet we can't bridge the gap, we can't move to the other side.

Therefore we descend back into despair, into greed, into lust, into all that has forever held us down.

[PolyPeter]

2 hours ago, integral said:

I have run hundreds of experiments on my self and others

I'm interested to know about these experiments. can you actually elaborate on them?

 

Initially I also thought that the air in the city was bad, but not long ago I made a trip to a non-urban area, nature, in the middle of the mountains, with a lot of green, in some beautiful forest with lots of trees and birds.

After spending the entire day in nature, truly apart from the city, it shocked me. The positive effect of just being there, with nothing else to do but take a nap on the grass, do some handstands, or just stare at the trees

 

Man, I felt renewed.

[PolyPeter]

On 3/12/2026 at 7:19 PM, Miguel1 said:

Anybody else too?

I think a lot of that emotional weight, feeling everything so intensely, including others' pain, gets amplified when you're constantly in an environment that's working against your nervous system.

I genuinely think a lot of what we call emotional sensitivity or even depression has an environmental layer that we completely overlook.

The city is loud, dense, polluted, and we adapt to it so thoroughly that we forget what (a natural and healthy) baseline actually feels like.

Disconnection from nature might be one of the most underrated contributors to chronic emotional heaviness.

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, integral said:

This is quantifiable!

1. CO₂ / poor ventilation — up to 50% decline
2. VOCs (building materials, paint, furniture) — up to 101% lower scores
3. Formaldehyde (pressed wood, insulation) — 17–21% greater impairment risk
4. Indoor PM2.5 — 0.8–0.9% slower per 10 µg/m³
5. Household cleaning products — up to 3.59× odds of decline
6. Synthetic fragrances / phthalates — 3–7.6 IQ points lost
7. Laundry detergent / fabric softener — 25+ hazardous VOCs emitted, no direct cognitive study
8. Temperature extremes — 2% per °C above 25°C, up to 15% at extremes
9. Humidity — up to 11% decline in hot-humid conditions
10. Hypoxia / low oxygen — up to 36% drop in processing speed
11. Secondhand smoke — 2–5 IQ points, 44–70% higher impairment odds
12. Candle / incense smoke — significant drops across memory, processing speed, executive function
13. Cooking fumes — 18–30% higher decline risk
14. Mold / mycotoxins — impairment comparable to mild TBI
15. Lead — 2.6–7.4 IQ points lost, no safe threshold
16. Flame retardants / PBDEs — 3.7–5.5 IQ points lost
17. Organophosphate pesticides — 5.5–7.0 IQ points lost
18. BPA / microplastics — up to 2.86 IQ points (BPF in boys)
19. Noise — 2-month reading delay per 5 dB, significant memory impairment
20. Poor lighting / dim light — up to 42% lower cognitive scores
21. Radon — 21% of self-regulation variance, Alzheimer's correlation
22. Toluene — altered brain connectivity at WHO-limit levels
23. Electromagnetic fields — no significant effect (WHO review)
24. Wall color — task-type interaction, not a deficit

 

And how do you expect me to avoid all that? That's a full-time job.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

And how do you expect me to avoid all that? That's a full-time job.

Into bubble boy mode. The only way. Inoculation from life 👌

[Miguel1]

Been a super busy week for me. I’ll catch up with the thread here at some point.

But I came here to say that I think what Dr. K calls deep pain, I call existential pain.

I think what it comes down to is that the more conscious you become, the more both ugly and beauty you see eveywhere, for yourself.

And you become this conscious from going through immense work and suffering / pain.

But also, at the same time, you will see how bad it is for other people, especially when you so much want to have a beautiful, conscious, mature, and healthy world for people — precisely due to your own conscious development.

And ultimately, the pain comes from not being able to give it, to pretty much anyone. You just have to accept the fact of the immense suffering people have to go through before they ascend higher.

The final crown is the loneliness because nobody can relate with what you are going through.

It’s bittersweet. It’s deep. It’s existential pain.

But I do admit. This pain gives depth to life. It makes me inspired to create more beautiful art. I believe that once I get more in touch with God, this deep pain will relieve. The more in touch with God, the more it will be relieved.

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Writing this in the middle of a gathering with friends (that’s how busy I have been lol). Forgive me if it isn’t the most coherent text.

Edited 10 hours ago by Miguel1

[Carl-Richard]

10 hours ago, integral said:

Would you smoke an antipsychotic every day and expect to be high consciousness? NO! So why are you breathing 50 toxic chemicals all day. 

What is your position on using air purifiers with ionization?

[integral]

10 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Where did I say that it's all head, if anything it's all sensation. Whether it's childhood trauma or deep existential pain, both are sensation. And the better we get at feeling/experiencing in ever deeper and more subtle ways, the better we get at having breakthroughs in any of these areas. The process i shared there is gold, try it before you knock it.

 

I agree, feeling the emotion deeply instead of suppressing/running from it is a core technique. 

 

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

And how do you expect me to avoid all that? That's a full-time job.

It only has to be avoided in your main place of residence, were most of your time is spent.

But thats still a large task at first to get right.

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Into bubble boy mode. The only way. Inoculation from life 👌

Foiling the couch is a joke of course, you just throw that out

The walls are the key, 100% sealed container with a pipe pulling air in from the window

Edited 13 hours ago by integral

[Eskilon]

1 minute ago, integral said:

Foiling the couch is a joke of course, you just throw that out

The walls are the key, 100% sealed container with a pipe pulling air in from the window

Poor mans ufo rooms lmao

[Leo Gura]

@integral Remind me to buy you a gasmask for Xmas.

[integral]

50 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

What is your position on using air purifiers with ionization?

Air purifiers only work in the movies lol. HEPA is good for large particles but the damage is done at the molecular level and it cant be filtered out with out compromise. To get the molecules out you need carbon filters and the likes and they introduce new toxins into the air as a bi-product. They also generally dont work, a single unlit candle off gasses so much its unfilterable basically, the problem is 100 to 1. 

The real option is to move to a location with good outdoor air, in low housing density areas. Like ski mountains.

I currently am in -6 degrees indoors with the windows open, 3 jackets on.

It sounds crazy but the options are 1) be cold or 2) be sick.

[integral]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@integral Remind me to buy you a gasmask for Xmas.

the key is breathing through a long pipe from your computer to the outdoors. Like life is the bong. 

18 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Poor mans ufo rooms lmao

I swear my chess rating is 200 points higher playing in this room.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

35 minutes ago, integral said:

 

Foiling the couch is a joke of course, you just throw that out

The walls are the key, 100% sealed container with a pipe pulling air in from the window

Holy FUCK this is some intense Warhol-esk shit right here..... And I LIKE it

Space cadet 👽

You'd be interested to know I just got done building a compounding pharmacy. 3 laminar flow cabinets, 2 cytotoxic and 3 airlock passthroughs. 9 columns were built down with mechanical conduit in sandwich panel with HEPA filters for a tiny space with only 3 working rooms. The air filtration system in there is the most intense shit I have ever seen. Those 9 columns contain duct work totally isolated that vents to an entire steel platform (fit with mechanical filters) we constructed on the roof.

The sterility needed to fabricate medical compounds is so high. We stand no chance to isolate ourselves from air pollution. The air has to be near perfect in that space - and the STILL have to use laminar cabinets. Full hazmat gear too.

Best we can do is minimise it. 

The lab techs who work in there laugh at how unsterile the rest of the hospital is. And it's a hospital! Infection control is serious. But they still use chemicals/fragrances that leach out into the air that make the guys who work in the compounding pharmacy die inside.

Edited 12 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, integral said:

 

I agree, feeling the emotion deeply instead of suppressing/running from it is a core technique. 

 

It only has to be avoided in your main place of residence, were most of your time is spent.

But thats still a large task at first to get right.

Foiling the couch is a joke of course, you just throw that out

The walls are the key, 100% sealed container with a pipe pulling air in from the window

Wait is this for real? Like actually for real? And my parents say I have OCD.

Edited 9 hours ago by Carl-Richard