5-MeO-DMT for longevity - Bryan Johnson

[PolyPeter]

2 minutes ago, bazera said:

his whole endevour meaningless?

his whole endevour IS meaningless already

this trascendent experiences show you what death actually is, which is not what he think it is

[bazera]

2 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

his whole endevour IS meaningless already

Yes buy he doesn't seem to realize that.

I was hoping he'd see more of that after this trip.

[PolyPeter]

1 minute ago, bazera said:

Yes buy he doesn't seem to realize that.

The issue is ontological.

He went in with a framework built entirely around preserving the human vehicle.

So when Pure Consciousness showed up, his mind had exactly one folder available: "this confirms that existence is precious and must be protected."
The experience was real. The interpretation was pre-loaded.

This is what happens without ontological preparation.

The psychedelic doesn't override your framework, it runs on top of it.
And if your framework is "I must not die," you will find a way to make even ego dissolution confirm that belief.

[Cireeric]

2 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

The conclusion is kind of tragic. 

He became Pure Consciousness, and when he came back, he talked about doubling down on his quest to live forever as a species.

damn he is stubborn.

It makes a lot more sense if you see his larger message is bigger than just archieving immortality. Yes Dont Die is his headline message, and immortality makes his whole project spicy, but his project is very much geared towards humanity not destroying itself and the earth - i.e. the metacrisis. It is about preserving life and honoring existence, because existence is beautiful, which is very much what you get in the afterglow of a deep trip. 

[Cireeric]

When I come out of a deep psychedelic experience from 5 Meo Malt, the message is always: "This life is precious and a gift, one should value and honor this life, this body and this earth.", not "Fuck it, consciousness is eternal, can do whatever I want, many more lifes to come".

[Carl-Richard]

25 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

When I come out of a deep psychedelic experience from 5 Meo Malt, the message is always: "This life is precious and a gift, one should value and honor this life, this body and this earth.", not "Fuck it, consciousness is eternal, can do whatever I want, many more lifes to come".

Yup, nihilism from psychedelic trips is simply the inability to distinguish relative from absolute. It's a weakness of intellect. "Yeah nothing matters", so what you going to do now? Lay down and die? No, you keep on living in the dream.

Edited Monday at 06:26 PM by Carl-Richard

[PolyPeter]

26 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

"Fuck it, consciousness is eternal, can do whatever I want, many more lifes to come".

There's something deeper worth naming here.

The entire "preserve life" framing assumes a definition of Life that is quietly, completely humanized.

But consciousness didn't begin with biology. Biology is one of its expressions, a extraordinarily complex filter through which the Absolute experiences itself at a particular density level. A rock is not less alive. It's less complex. Those are not the same thing.

When Bryan says "protect the candle of consciousness that has miraculously emerged in this part of the galaxy", he's describing consciousness as if it's a fragile flame that humans are somehow responsible for keeping lit. As if without us, the Absolute would go dark.

That's not humility. That's the most anthropocentric claim possible, dressed in the language of cosmic responsibility.

The void doesn't need protecting. It was there before this universe. It will be there after. What Bryan experienced wasn't something rare and fragile, it was what's always already the case, briefly unfiltered.

"Don't Die" makes sense if the human vehicle is the source of consciousness. It makes no sense at all if consciousness is the source of the human vehicle.

Edited Monday at 06:26 PM by PolyPeter

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura Another useful topic is 'confidence' and how that evolved as you move up the spiral, spiritual maturation and so forth.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Boomer unc does DMT, ascends 

Takes all his delusion up with him into the hot air ballon 

Dem saucer eyes

[enchanted]

On 10/03/2026 at 2:59 AM, bazera said:

Imagine after his trip he drops this longevity bullshit and becomes a mystic preaching God and Love.

The longevity stuff is his life purpose. He's trying to achieve something that's never been done. It's like trying to break any record. 

Leo always talks about finding your life purpose, and that the world doesn't need more spiritual teachers. Johnson has a noble life purpose that makes people question what's possible and to rethink their relationship with their bodies. Yes he might go to extremes but it's a good way to get attention and push boundaries in a field. 

Edited yesterday at 11:42 AM by enchanted

[PolyPeter]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Takes all his delusion up with him into the hot air ballon 

hahahahah on point

[bazera]

4 hours ago, enchanted said:

The longevity stuff is his life purpose. He's trying to achieve something that's never been done. It's like trying to break any record. 

Leo always talks about finding your life purpose, and that the world doesn't need more spiritual teachers. Johnson has a noble life purpose that makes people question what's possible and to rethink their relationship with their bodies. Yes he might go to extremes but it's a good way to get attention and push boundaries in a field. 

Yes sure, research into that field can be meaningful.

I was just interested to know how would this trip would affect his life purpose. I was thinking maybe it would show him the illusory nature of the self and that he woudn't be attached to prolonging it so hard. But it seems that contrary has happened, he seems to be doubling down.

Edited yesterday at 04:35 PM by bazera

[Carl-Richard]

On 23.3.2026 at 7:25 PM, PolyPeter said:

"Don't Die" makes sense if the human vehicle is the source of consciousness. It makes no sense at all if consciousness is the source of the human vehicle.

"Save Soil" too I guess.

I think you're wrong. It matters in a relative sense. If no effort to survive mattered at all, you would curl up in a ball and die right now. But you don't. You still keep on surviving, in the limited way you desire. Some prefer surviving in a different way.

Edited yesterday at 06:29 PM by Carl-Richard

[Oppositionless]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

"Save Soil" too I guess.

I think you're wrong. It matters in a relative sense. If no effort to survive mattered at all, you would curl up in a ball and die right now. But you don't. You still keep on surviving, in the limited way you desire. Some prefer surviving in a different way.

Yeah I don't think it's wise to rip the ground out from under people unnecessarily. Bashing people over the head with "the absolute" is kind of off. If someone gets the message that the particular expression of consciousness called human being is precious and worth protecting , good. 

[Carl-Richard]

35 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

If someone gets the message that the particular expression of consciousness called human being is precious and worth protecting , good. 

It's exactly if you think "grasping the Absolute" implies it necessarily is not that way, you haven't actually grasped the message, only made faulty implications about it. It's to overstep and make it complicated (which has more or less become the entire shtick with this place), and then view those who don't do that with condescension, that's to not grasp the message.

Edited 23 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[PolyPeter]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

"Save Soil" too I guess.

I think you're wrong. It matters in a relative sense. If no effort to survive mattered at all, you would curl up in a ball and die right now. But you don't. You still keep on surviving, in the limited way you desire. Some prefer surviving in a different way.

You're conflating levels of analysis.

Of course survival matters relatively. I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm here, writing this, eating food, paying rent. The relative level is real and functional.

The point is specifically about what the void experience reveals, and what conclusions Bryan drew from it.

At the absolute level, which is what 5-MeO gives you direct access to, "Don't Die" is category confusion. Consciousness doesn't die. It was never born. What dies is a particular configuration of filters.

"Save Soil" is actually a decent parallel, honoring the relative without confusing it for the absolute is fine. The problem is when you use an absolute experience to double down on a relative project as if that project now has cosmic justification.

Bryan didn't come back saying "I'll keep living because life is functional and I enjoy it." He came back saying he's a warrior and caretaker of consciousness in the galaxy. That's a different claim, and it doesn't follow from what he experienced.

[Oppositionless]

43 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

Bryan didn't come back saying "I'll keep living because life is functional and I enjoy it." He came back saying he's a warrior and caretaker of consciousness in the galaxy. That's a different claim, and it doesn't follow from what he experienced.

The reason psychedelics aren't enough to awaken is that they overwhelmingly convince people that what they already believe is true . I read a post from an incel who did dmt and the entities confirmed he was an incel.

[bazera]

50 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

The reason psychedelics aren't enough to awaken is that they overwhelmingly convince people that what they already believe is true . I read a post from an incel who did dmt and the entities confirmed he was an incel.

Lol. 

I read reports where Jesus was seen during trips, confirming the validity of christianity.

But Jesus is seen during sober mystical experiences too as I've heard. That's why stage blue mysticism is a thing, when a christian mind interprets the absolute it might get a vision of Jesus or something. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

The reason psychedelics aren't enough to awaken is that they overwhelmingly convince people that what they already believe is true . I read a post from an incel who did dmt and the entities confirmed he was an incel.

Jesus this is terrifying. I had a really bad time on psychedelics for a bit and I was questioning all my beliefs - what was my subconscious trying to tell me when I continually saw these little egg bodied gremlins sucking my tits for milk and trying to hook me up to a machine that milked me? And were plotting to turn me into a breeding machine / milk feeder. This happened for a good year. These same egg things wanting my tits for milk. Horrible.

I haven't had an experience where they showed up since - I figured it was some conditioning I was working through regarding not wanting kids. 

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

The point is specifically about what the void experience reveals, and what conclusions Bryan drew from it.

I'm not so sure he is drawing the inference "the void is x therefore I must live better". It was rather a thought he had in the void. This is more of the issue of (Leo) declaring thoughts in the void and without as "Absolute x". It did not occur to me that Bryan was declaring he is now delivering the gospel of Truth as he experienced it in the void. He was sharing a thought from the void.

When he said "it is impossible to explain with words. Whatever you imagine, multiply it by 1,000 and then add infinite width and depth and dimensions", that seemed more like he was trying to convey the actual experience of the void itself. You know, not everyone is a "epistemic pervert" as they say.

Edited 16 hours ago by Carl-Richard