5-MeO-DMT for longevity - Bryan Johnson

[PolyPeter]

2 minutes ago, bazera said:

his whole endevour meaningless?

his whole endevour IS meaningless already

this trascendent experiences show you what death actually is, which is not what he think it is

[bazera]

2 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

his whole endevour IS meaningless already

Yes buy he doesn't seem to realize that.

I was hoping he'd see more of that after this trip.

[PolyPeter]

1 minute ago, bazera said:

Yes buy he doesn't seem to realize that.

The issue is ontological.

He went in with a framework built entirely around preserving the human vehicle.

So when Pure Consciousness showed up, his mind had exactly one folder available: "this confirms that existence is precious and must be protected."
The experience was real. The interpretation was pre-loaded.

This is what happens without ontological preparation.

The psychedelic doesn't override your framework, it runs on top of it.
And if your framework is "I must not die," you will find a way to make even ego dissolution confirm that belief.

[Cireeric]

2 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

The conclusion is kind of tragic. 

He became Pure Consciousness, and when he came back, he talked about doubling down on his quest to live forever as a species.

damn he is stubborn.

It makes a lot more sense if you see his larger message is bigger than just archieving immortality. Yes Dont Die is his headline message, and immortality makes his whole project spicy, but his project is very much geared towards humanity not destroying itself and the earth - i.e. the metacrisis. It is about preserving life and honoring existence, because existence is beautiful, which is very much what you get in the afterglow of a deep trip. 

[Cireeric]

When I come out of a deep psychedelic experience from 5 Meo Malt, the message is always: "This life is precious and a gift, one should value and honor this life, this body and this earth.", not "Fuck it, consciousness is eternal, can do whatever I want, many more lifes to come".

[Carl-Richard]

25 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

When I come out of a deep psychedelic experience from 5 Meo Malt, the message is always: "This life is precious and a gift, one should value and honor this life, this body and this earth.", not "Fuck it, consciousness is eternal, can do whatever I want, many more lifes to come".

Yup, nihilism from psychedelic trips is simply the inability to distinguish relative from absolute. It's a weakness of intellect. "Yeah nothing matters", so what you going to do now? Lay down and die? No, you keep on living in the dream.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[PolyPeter]

26 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

"Fuck it, consciousness is eternal, can do whatever I want, many more lifes to come".

There's something deeper worth naming here.

The entire "preserve life" framing assumes a definition of Life that is quietly, completely humanized.

But consciousness didn't begin with biology. Biology is one of its expressions, a extraordinarily complex filter through which the Absolute experiences itself at a particular density level. A rock is not less alive. It's less complex. Those are not the same thing.

When Bryan says "protect the candle of consciousness that has miraculously emerged in this part of the galaxy", he's describing consciousness as if it's a fragile flame that humans are somehow responsible for keeping lit. As if without us, the Absolute would go dark.

That's not humility. That's the most anthropocentric claim possible, dressed in the language of cosmic responsibility.

The void doesn't need protecting. It was there before this universe. It will be there after. What Bryan experienced wasn't something rare and fragile, it was what's always already the case, briefly unfiltered.

"Don't Die" makes sense if the human vehicle is the source of consciousness. It makes no sense at all if consciousness is the source of the human vehicle.

Edited 2 hours ago by PolyPeter