Let’s talk about IMMORTALITY

[Mr Bravo]

Hey guys I want to discuss immortality 

resources, explanations, videos, ect.

your views on it how to understand it what dots to connect to it. make it make sense. 

Ok let’s go
 

[Someone here]

What begins must end . What was born must die. What didn't begin can't end .what was never born can never die .

[Hojo]

Theres a scientist looking at a petri dish. His eye is against the microscope. He is looking at germs. He pays close attention to one of the germs and begins to think hes the germ. The germ dies. The scientist is still there but he thinks he's dead now.

A man plays vr skyrim. He puts headset on game starts up. He creates his character then goes into game. 30 years later he thinks he's the character and his conciousness is coming from the character in skyrim. His conciousness has nothing to do with the game he's just using it to play the game.

Like when you play skyrim you are using your conciousness to see and experience skyrim but it dosent have anything to do with skyrim.

Edited 10 hours ago by Hojo

[Sincerity]

20 minutes ago, Mr Bravo said:

Hey guys I want to discuss immortality

Feel free to start the discussion with your input.  

You explain it to us!

[theleelajoker]

40 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Theres a scientist looking at a petri dish. His eye is against the microscope. He is looking at germs. He pays close attention to one of the germs and begins to think hes the germ. The germ dies. The scientist is still there but he thinks he's dead now.

A man plays vr skyrim. He puts headset on game starts up. He creates his character then goes into game. 30 years later he thinks he's the character and his conciousness is coming from the character in skyrim. His conciousness has nothing to do with the game he's just using it to play the game.

Like when you play skyrim you are using your conciousness to see and experience skyrim but it dosent have anything to do with skyrim.

So we're playing "Human" here on earth, yes?

I'm in the mood for Skyrim now it's a great game 

[Oppositionless]

The irony is to realize immortality you have to give up the desire for it . 

[Hojo]

@theleelajokerYes VR video game analogy is the best when you are wearing a VR headset your conciousness is outside the VR headset but it seems like your conciousness is inside the VR game. THats because you are seeing the game from inside conciousness outside the game. There probably isnt a 'headset' the game IS the headset.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[LordFall]

Biological immortality is coming in the next 20 years

 

[theleelajoker]

20 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@theleelajokerYes VR video game analogy is the best when you are wearing a VR headset your conciousness is outside the VR headset but it seems like your conciousness is inside the VR game. THats because you are seeing the game from inside conciousness outside the game. There probably isnt a 'headset' the game IS the headset.

Yeah it's sometimes really feels like this. 

Open World, Open End game where you (co-) create whatever happens to you. 

[VioletFlame]

Immortality is unnatural and trying to rationalize it or use science or technology to "create" immortality is simply manipulating Nature itself. Nature can't be rendered artificial. 

Every living thing dies. That is part of the natural design. It is perfect as it is, and I believe there is reason  and a purpose in death, just as much as there is reason and a purpose to life. Immortality is a pipe dream fantasy and desiring it is usually rooted in a deep fear of death, or lack of acceptance that death is inevitable, and inescapable. No science can escape or avoid the inevitable, no matter how badly scientists may try to replicate or emulate what they see in sci-fi movies. 

Edited 9 hours ago by VioletFlame

[Hojo]

@VioletFlameLife isnt in the headset its outside of the headset. The world is dead you are alive, outside the simulation. Like when you look in skyrim, the skyrim world isnt alive. You are alive outside of skyrim. Verything about life that seems alive is actually coming from your own life outside the game.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[VioletFlame]

Even if "immortality" was engineered by man, which I believe is pretty much impossible and a rather silly fantasy/ideal, there will still be physical threats & external dangers in the world. You could still get hit by a car and die, you could still drown, you could still get chased and eaten alive by a lion, you could still get shot or murdered by a psychopath, and there will still be natural disasters, always. Scientists can't manipulate or artificialize nature, or "play God". Death and mortality are inescapable, no matter how much scientists try to shy away from that fact. Hasn't anyone here seen the Final Destination movies? Lol! It's supposed to teach us that death is our fate, there's no escaping or avoiding that, only accepting & embracing it in the end, but I suggest embracing death now, while you're still here so you can actually live a good life. 😅

Edited 9 hours ago by VioletFlame

[Hojo]

@VioletFlameIf someone cut your head off you would still be alive. Immortality dosent have to do with the body. Locking your conciousness into your body is probably not a good idea.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[VioletFlame]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Immortality dosent have to do with the body.

Oh yeah, I most certainly believe our "Soul" or "spirit" lives on (is immortal) but our physical or material experience here on this planet cannot be eternal, it's simply not meant to be. Life & death is a perfect design as it is and it is irrevocable, it should be embraced for what it is.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

7 minutes ago, VioletFlame said:

but our physical or material experience here on this planet cannot be eternal, it's simply not meant to be. Life & death is a perfect design as it is and it is irrevocable, it should be embraced for what it is.

Wouldn't you say that this is just your belief and nothing more? I mean, theoretically it may be possible to indeed become biologically immortal. Next level would be developing perfect anti dote against all bacteria and viruses. So you can't die from an illness and you can't die from the very loosely defined, the so called "natural death". Chances that you'd die from any other cause are pretty slim compared to these 2 I have outlined. The only way to die after that is to just literaly voluntarilly decide to do so

[VioletFlame]

@NewKidOnTheBlock It is the desire for immortality itself that boggles my mind.

If we can just release the desire and the obsession for eternal life in our physical bodies, and truly embrace death for what it is, then we will feel free, and truly happy. 

Edited 8 hours ago by VioletFlame

[Yimpa]

Quote

“When you add to the truth, you subtract from it.”

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Yimpa

[thierry]

I never understood the concept of transcending Life after a certain number of réincarnations(like sahdguru s claiming that for a reason or another, this is his last Life as a human). I would reincarnate forever as a human(male).

that would be heaven for me. Just delete all my memories between each Lifetime (or not :p)

[Mr Bravo]

3 hours ago, Sincerity said:

Feel free to start the discussion with your input.  

You explain it to us!

Ok let me try and swing the bat see if I can hit the baseball ⚾️ 

 

immortality is pointing to the idea/ truth of your 

eternality as a soul/spirit 
 

that is, was, and always will be. 
the very essence of existence itself possesses this quality of immortality. 

And so do you. With or without the recognition of it. I want to say this is how I understand it right now. God knows exactly how many swings I gotta take to hit the  ball ⚾️

or maybe I just gotta stop swinging 🤷‍♂️

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Mr Bravo said:

Ok let me try and swing

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