Leo's DemystifySci Podcast Appearance

[kavaris]

Theres a good moment @ around 39:00 (im only half way thru) Yous are talkin bout something that lead to where she says "I have a feelin that ppl do realize these things but then they... ignore or forget/move on..", and thats what happens a lot.

You take mushrooms, lsd, or go through some exp., and then you in a round about way, forget everything that wouldve been the impetus towards everything you could have learned, Nd are instead left at the beginning by virtue of having never investigated "what that was".

Cause now, everything afterwards is being staggered (in the best case situations) between "hm, that was interesting, i wonder..." in contrast w/ "Let me concern myself w/ this next thing, and this next thing" or in other words, the routines involved in remembering, and the essential seerds of doubt and wonder~required to do this work are never let to blossom by any of the edges where said flowers blossoming may happen.

So anyway,thats just to say then that that was a good part cause it shows ppl from the early beginning/onset like, look at the world—they who are getting a small, concentrated vers., of it, possibly, but are also too lost in a routine where said substances arent in the recipe. Like their recipe for \*cake is missing crucial ingredients for now~until forever, indefinitely.

Edited 6 hours ago by kavaris

[Leo Gura]

@kavaris People are lost in survival. Including scientists. That's why caring about truth is the #1 issue. You will never understand reality without insanely caring about truth -- which nobody does.

See, if these scientists actually cared about truth they would be calling me every day asking questions. But they don't have that attitude. It all boils down to attitude. Less than one in a million people has the right attitude for this work. There is nothing that can be done or said when the right attitude is absent.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[RisingLane]

I really enjoyed it and can't wait to see more of this in the future.

[kavaris]

@Leo Gura @46:00 Im at the part where hes jus now pushin back on survival

And thats one of the longest and hardest points to realize in the journey, cause i personally didnt understand it by looking at survival directly, like that was one that was sortve jostled loose by accident, though i can see how anyone going at survival head on is gonna be like, trying to get around it.

Survival in it self sounds bad. But survival can just mean breathing, it could just be a base level of a good thing to have to have identity or to be starting, ending, starting, if not being like, contended w/. Like LsD was effectively, in the beginning it was like a "hard..." wall or something. A hard road block on what Not to do, or feelings around what wouldve been like, the rules and laws of a world w/ rules and laws. Or like, it was sortvr showing the flow of direction, and where the pool sortve wants to push if that makes sense (the serene river, though, where the prickly timber around it is at~or something like that)

[Terell Kirby]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Less than one in a million people has the right attitude for this work.

Attitude: “I am gleefully looking forward deconstructing my entire identity, uncovering all my self bias and survival mechanisms, a full fledged ego death, becoming a social outcast, uncovering corruption of social systems I am embedded in, all while admitting my wrongs/corruptions incessantly. Oh what joy — all for the sake of Truth & God “

Says … no one lol

[Infinite Tsukuyomi]

What I see, is exactly what you would expect (only watched part 1 so far). The ego mind will always try to smuggle in its own survival via something else. When they said "humans have the 'potential'" I paused it and said  "yea, you need to hold that potential higher than Truth to guarantee human survival" then unpaused and Leo mentioned potential lol

I agree, that you have to be Truth psychopath. Once you've had even one deep awakening, you wonder if you really want any more of that, and then you go back for more! Even though it rips you apart.

I was out with a friend one night, and I discussed my awakenings with him. He was invested but got a phone call. Before answering he said to me "just a minute, I want to hear more about your truth". I said "Okay, I don't have a truth though" lol

These conversations can be powerful for those Leo is talking to, if they are interested in untangling what their mind is doing in real time. Truth is still considered to be some separate, far away fantasy for them. We're talking about the present moment not something else.   

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, Infinite Tsukuyomi said:

Once you've had even one deep awakening, you wonder if you really want any more of that, and then you go back for more! Even though it rips you apart.

Rip apart your ego and set yourself free 🔥

[Infinite Tsukuyomi]

2 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Attitude: “I am gleefully looking forward deconstructing my entire identity, uncovering all my self bias and survival mechanisms, a full fledged ego death, becoming a social outcast, uncovering corruption of social systems I am embedded in, all while admitting my wrongs/corruptions incessantly. Oh what joy — all for the sake of Truth & God “

Says … no one lol

Lol. And even when you go through all of that and are deep in it if you're a psychopath you go back for more. It's also difficult to put that toothpaste back into the tube anyway once it's out

[Yimpa]

Just now, Infinite Tsukuyomi said:

And even when you go through all of that and are deep in it if you're a psychopath you go back for more.

It would be stupid not to go for more Love, cmon man!

[Infinite Tsukuyomi]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

It would be stupid not to go for more Love, cmon man!

That's easy for us to say, not that many people want to experience Love for real. 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

The podcast was good, but it’s sad that so little ground can be covered because people don’t have a solid foundation in consciousness work. 
 

It would interesting to see Leo talk to someone who’s already advanced in this work. That could make for a truly profound conversation

[Wilhelm44]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It really isn't up to me. They are the hosts and they are the ones leading the conversation. If I try to control it then it looks bad on me.

I did try to prep them for a deeper conversation over emails, but they insist on doing things their way. That's just the nature of the format. If I'm on someone else's show I can't control it and structure it properly like I do on my own channel. So you cannot expect the level of depth you get on my channel when I appear on other channels. My channel is deep because I put a lot of thought into structuring it that way, but no interviewer knows how to do that or even has the interest to do that.

This is actually a nice demonstration of the difficulties of discussing these topics with scientists. The scientists don't even know the depth of what is being discussed so they can't know the right questions to ask. This is a structural issue. The shallowness of science doesn't even allow for the depth necessary to understand Truth/God/Consciousness/Love. Just getting the discussion off the ground is a challenge. When you are on my channel all of those issues are bypassed, which is what makes Actualized.org uniquely powerful. But if I am talking to a normal academic, hours would be wasted just getting them into the right territory because they would keep getting distracted by tangents.

My attitude for podcasts is to just keep it chill and go with the flow. Not to over-think it or try to control it. I have given up on that idea.

I am satisfied with how I answered all their questions. If their questions were not deep, that's on them. I am not going to fret over it because that kind of depth is only possible on my channel -- which is why my channel exists.

Leo have you thought of reaching out to some bigger platforms, like Lex Fridman for example ? I know he has his faults, but he might be willing to go a bit deeper. ps I see Michael Levin also has a podcast, a conversation with him will be good i think.

[kavaris]

Sell these folk some psychedelics.. lol.. like i hope this inspired them to go on a trip right after, i mean hey, they will likely be a very responsible pair. like i feel like i can imagine them right now, being very overly safe  lol.

[Terell Kirby]

5 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

The podcast was good, but it’s sad that so little ground can be covered because people don’t have a solid foundation in consciousness work. 

We should give them credit for even allowing Leo on their platform. I think we forget how fringe, controversial and threatening Actualized.org teachings are to most people on the Internet and in the media.

It already takes a high degree of open mindedness to entertain the ideas. Kudos to them for being courageous enough to do it.

Edited 5 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[kavaris]

Like the first thing the mind wants to do is contend w everything right, so i can see how its like, they arent tryina enter into an unknown situation, like they are tryna play defense. Like i guess what it is, is a form of offense thqts required, that is, sortve like that thing in Assassins creed right: "Leap of faith", psychedelic trip is a leap of faith. Its one part in journey that could make all the diff~i mean, life is a leap of faith

Edited 5 hours ago by kavaris

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

have you thought of reaching out to some bigger platforms, like Lex Fridman for example ?

He has never responded to me.

Having him ask deep questions would be even more challenging.

The bigger the platform the more shallow the questions will be. That's why I prefer to look for smaller, more academic people.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

We should give them credit for even allowing Leo on their platform. I think we forget how fringe, controversial and threatening Actualized.org teachings are to most people on the Internet and in the media.

It already takes a high degree of open mindedness to entertain the ideas. Kudos to them for being courageous enough to do it.

That is a good point. They are very openminded and still the conversation is challenging. But with most scientists this conversation would simply be impossible.

[thierry]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If she understood what I understand, she wouldn't be a scientist. So it's a Catch-22 situation. She can't admit to her entire worldview being wrong. 

I don’t understand why you keep insisting on that assumption. You can try to understand reality while recognizing that science is a construct of the human mind. It’s possible to engage in science without tying your ego to it  simply because we work through our minds, and science can be interesting.

Science and Truth are not antagonistic.

(I was close to finishing a degree in math and physics when I discovered Actualized.org. I stopped everything about five months after finding the channel. Looking back, I think that was a mistake on my part. I never believed I would reach Truth through science. the only reason I pursued it was that it seemed like the best and most honest thing I could do in this life  given my limits as a human being.)

 

 

[Hojo]

I can see leo wants to say things but is stopping himself when he should just go all out on what he wants to say. If you want to say something and say no, I can't say that, you will get flustered in thought and lose flow. Because you are arguing with God on what should and should not be said.

It takes alot of bravery to say what your brain wants to say without getting flustered. And thats what awakening is all about.

At least in the 1st video I kinda see that. Not sure if its true.

I watched the 2nd video and he popped off so that was better. But it seemed to instantly turn them off, but who cares.

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[kavaris]

Avanzata vs. ritirata, thats maybe terms i shouldve used: that is, one energy rushes forward, one energy rushes back or *retreats (arabic or hindi sanskit lineage prolly has terms for that, like that seems like its up their alley). But, to really envelope oneself in it  it starts w that initial avanzata, just goin all in, seein wat happens. Then theres a second part... After that. I dont know what its called, but def a second "Part 2"  maybe  lol  X|"the continuation", "Everything that proceeds"

Edited 4 hours ago by kavaris