How Feminism Became The West's New Moral Authority

[Kid A]

An important point regarding the pre-1960s/70s vs today is that the world at that time was structured in the same way humanity had been organized since the dawn of time, when we’re talking gender roles, and something we therefore had thousands of years to specialize in. When society moves in a completely new direction, as we have done by having women participate in the workforce almost equally as men, there will naturally be “growing pains.” We can see this precisely in how women end up caught in a squeeze where they are expected to live up to both the new expectations and the old ones.

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[Elliott]

13 minutes ago, Kid A said:

An important point regarding the pre-1960s/70s vs today is that the world at that time was structured in the same way humanity had been organized since the dawn of time, 

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When society moves in a completely new direction, as we have done by having women participate in the workforce almost equally as men,

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You mean the dawn of the industrial revolution. We had ruling Queens well before feminism, ruling female Pharoahs and Empresses. Men and women worked agriculturaly, women worked tribally, with female tribal leaders.

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[Kid A]

16 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You mean the dawn of the industrial revolution. We had ruling Queens well before feminism, ruling female Pharoahs and Empresses. Men and women worked agriculturaly, women worked tribally, with female tribal leaders.

I meant, very generally speaking, how the average woman has been expected to be the caring mother who takes care of the children and home, while the average man has been expected to be responsible for external provision.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Kid A said:

I meant, very generally speaking, how the average woman has been expected to be the caring mother who takes care of the children and home, while the average man has been expected to be responsible for external provision.

It's not true. Not only did women help with "provision" such as farming or gathering in tribal times, the kids did as well, there were no "taking care of children" as soon as they had fine motor skills(3 years old). They weren't sitting in a rocking chair all day or sweeping the hut and making lasagna, they had the baby with them while they worked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Kid A]

8 minutes ago, Elliott said:

It's not true. Not only did women help with "provision" such as farming or gathering in tribal times, the kids did as well, there were no "taking care of children" as soon as they had fine motor skills(3 years old). They weren't sitting in a rocking chair all day or sweeping the hut, they had the baby with them while they worked.

 

 

 

Yeah, I realize I have a way too simple view of the matter. I have a lot to learn here. Appreciate the feedback. 

[Raze]

13 hours ago, something_else said:

The decline in female happiness you’re referencing is primarily observed in US data from the 1970s onward. It’s not a universal global trend.

Even within the US, that data shows correlation, not causation. If you’re suggesting that modern feminism is related to declining happiness, the burden is on you to demonstrate that link. A huge number of structural changes occurred over that period, not just modern feminism.

The fact that similar feminist movements occurred across Western countries without a comparable decline in women’s happiness weakens the claim of a direct causal relationship.

And even if wellbeing were flat or slightly down, that wouldn’t automatically mean legal and social equality was a net negative.

except you claimed “replaced a system that made the vast majority of women’s lives miserable. .

The burden of proof is on you to prove that, how do you know the vast majority of women were miserable prior to each wave of feminism 

The waves of feminism themselves happened because of those same structural changes and persisted them.

The major changes related to women would be increased workforce participation, declining marriage rates, casual dating, etc. many of which were changes influenced by feminism.

What are the examples of similar feminist movements not causing a decline in different countries?

Anyway, there is also this, liberal young women who are more likely to be feminist are more likely to have mental health problems. And before you say “correlation”, the same pattern was shown in measuring neuroticism. 

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[Raze]

13 hours ago, Elliott said:

No they're not. Feminism has nothing to do with banning chastity. Feminism has to do with a woman was only allowed to sleep with one man (they were chattel) while men were unrestricted. 

Where did Feminism ban men's chastity? Are you okay, women need to be chaste?!!!!! Why don't men choose chastity then? We have 5% of this forum on about how to get laid(as men). The same people that hate feminism are the same "pump n dump" guys. Try critical thinking, for a change of pace.

Bro, you lie on every thread. Quit engaging my comments.

Feminists oppose objectifying women, "pump n dump" , it's conservatives like you that glorify it, 'women are chattel'. I actually no longer care about incels like you, I'm making the choice right now, i do not care at all about the suicide statistic anymore, as you put it "you are responsible for that". You're calling for women to be property. Misogynist mind virus, just another example of your handlers trying to sow division and distraction.

The world will be better without the mysoginists. However they die is up to God 🥂. How's that patriarchy, for ya.

-straight white man

This happens every time, I debunk your arguments, you throw a hissy fit, ignore what I say, and start shrieking insults.

You have to be incredibly stupid to say conservatives support “pump and dump”, conservative religions literally think sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Meanwhile sex positive feminists encourage casual relations, which is where pump and dump occurs.

Look up the history of the sexual revolution and “free love”.

Do you think feminists were against it and conservatives supported it? You know nothing about society or history, you have a childish cartoon view of history and the world.

But since people like you can think critically you idiotically pin the blame on the opposite.

”straight white man”, correction: a emotional child, not a man.

 

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[Rafael Thundercat]

Guys, you need to start following some Decolonization accounts on Social Media. There are more things connected to Feminism than the more Toxic versions of it. There are Movements towards Matriachy, and it dont say that women should be in power, it actually say that we need a society organized around values of care, of protection of children,women,men,nature, land,animals etc..