How Feminism Became The West's New Moral Authority

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, AION said:

Even Leo Gura who campions the truth has swallowed all of his words about women and doesn't tell the truth about women anymore because he is sick and tired and frankly doesn't care enough about the truth in this regard.

From everything I read from you regarding women, he appears to understand women to a greater extent than you. 

The difference is you appear to be unaware of the bias and misunderstanding in your own thoughts. 

Experience and age will help you. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

There was no antibiotics then and it could spread through a small number of highly promiscuous people. But it doesn't mean it was normalised in society at a cultural level - more so tolerated at the margins hence brothels. The bible describing something is different to it prescribing it or endorsing it.

Material advancements (pill, industrialization, internet, social media / dating apps) removed limits and changed incentives around chastity.  But culture largely either embraces the removal of those limits and approves / disapproves of what behaviour is then normalized in that new environment.  Modern society expanded freedoms faster than new stabilizing norms could emerge to exercise those freedoms responsibly.

When men are asked to point to structural issues they get stumped largely because its not so much structural but cultural. There's no collection of visible law we can point to. It's the same way how post-civil rights racial discrimination still exists - people can be structurally free (by law) yet the culture can remain hostile or not healthy - which that takes time to evolve.

In the same way - the general cultural discourse around and about men isn't healthy, and now even discourse about women isn't healthy with red pills emergence. We're in a toxic feedback loop.

Movements outlive their initial intent - and once their core goals are achieved they need to find new paths to go down to survive. Feminism later grew offshoots that are deemed as unhelpful or unnecessary.  The need for equal outcomes (rather than opportunity) or challenging norms around sexual behaviour - by removing any norms around it instead of having healthy norms take their place.

It matters what is normalized rather than what is merely tolerated at the margins of society. For example - adults going to a cabaret show or burlesque behind closed doors where camera's usually aren't allowed - is different to Nikki Manaj twerking at a superbowl with the whole nation watching,  including children.

Edward Bernayes marketed cigarettes to women as a identity of liberation ''torches of freedom''. Today slutification is marketed as freedom and empowerment. Men can't objectify women but they can objectify themselves because its liberating when they do it - despite objectification still occurring.

A good test is to imagine being father to a daughter then ask - what kind of society would we want her growing up in? What would we want to be seen as normal by the wider culture. 

We actually need some haram police - some shame is a healthy tool for stabilizing society. It's either the hard way by force (actual haram police like in Iran or Saudi Arabia), or the soft way by cultural and social conditioning that approves or disapproves of certain behaviors. Western society removed the harsh way but also doesn't want the soft way because it ''hurts feelings''. Accept everything, pluralism until hitler gets voted, don't be so JuDgMeNtAl - no, its called discernment.

Again, feminists OPENLY, PUBLICLY, OPPOSE and criticize pump n dump, it's  CONSERVATIVES that promote it. I'm done talking to you about this, you're dogmatic and emotional about it(not your demeanor, your lack of critical and rational thinking).

 

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Sexual hook-up culture

Feb 1, 2013 — Hookups began to become more frequent in the 1920s, with the upsurge of automobiles and novel entertainment, such as movie theaters. 

 

See the conservatives in this reply.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Elliott