How Feminism Became The West's New Moral Authority

[Kid A]

An important point regarding the pre-1960s/70s vs today is that the world at that time was structured in the same way humanity had been organized since the dawn of time, when we’re talking gender roles, and something we therefore had thousands of years to specialize in. When society moves in a completely new direction, as we have done by having women participate in the workforce almost equally as men, there will naturally be “growing pains.” We can see this precisely in how women end up caught in a squeeze where they are expected to live up to both the new expectations and the old ones.

Edited Tuesday at 01:59 PM by Kid A

[Elliott]

13 minutes ago, Kid A said:

An important point regarding the pre-1960s/70s vs today is that the world at that time was structured in the same way humanity had been organized since the dawn of time, 

........

When society moves in a completely new direction, as we have done by having women participate in the workforce almost equally as men,

......

You mean the dawn of the industrial revolution. We had ruling Queens well before feminism, ruling female Pharoahs and Empresses. Men and women worked agriculturaly, women worked tribally, with female tribal leaders.

Edited Tuesday at 02:12 PM by Elliott

[Kid A]

16 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You mean the dawn of the industrial revolution. We had ruling Queens well before feminism, ruling female Pharoahs and Empresses. Men and women worked agriculturaly, women worked tribally, with female tribal leaders.

I meant, very generally speaking, how the average woman has been expected to be the caring mother who takes care of the children and home, while the average man has been expected to be responsible for external provision.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Kid A said:

I meant, very generally speaking, how the average woman has been expected to be the caring mother who takes care of the children and home, while the average man has been expected to be responsible for external provision.

It's not true. Not only did women help with "provision" such as farming or gathering in tribal times, the kids did as well, there were no "taking care of children" as soon as they had fine motor skills(3 years old). They weren't sitting in a rocking chair all day or sweeping the hut and making lasagna, they had the baby with them while they worked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 04:09 PM by Elliott

[Kid A]

8 minutes ago, Elliott said:

It's not true. Not only did women help with "provision" such as farming or gathering in tribal times, the kids did as well, there were no "taking care of children" as soon as they had fine motor skills(3 years old). They weren't sitting in a rocking chair all day or sweeping the hut, they had the baby with them while they worked.

 

 

 

Yeah, I realize I have a way too simple view of the matter. I have a lot to learn here. Appreciate the feedback. 

[Raze]

13 hours ago, something_else said:

The decline in female happiness you’re referencing is primarily observed in US data from the 1970s onward. It’s not a universal global trend.

Even within the US, that data shows correlation, not causation. If you’re suggesting that modern feminism is related to declining happiness, the burden is on you to demonstrate that link. A huge number of structural changes occurred over that period, not just modern feminism.

The fact that similar feminist movements occurred across Western countries without a comparable decline in women’s happiness weakens the claim of a direct causal relationship.

And even if wellbeing were flat or slightly down, that wouldn’t automatically mean legal and social equality was a net negative.

except you claimed “replaced a system that made the vast majority of women’s lives miserable. .

The burden of proof is on you to prove that, how do you know the vast majority of women were miserable prior to each wave of feminism 

The waves of feminism themselves happened because of those same structural changes and persisted them.

The major changes related to women would be increased workforce participation, declining marriage rates, casual dating, etc. many of which were changes influenced by feminism.

What are the examples of similar feminist movements not causing a decline in different countries?

Anyway, there is also this, liberal young women who are more likely to be feminist are more likely to have mental health problems. And before you say “correlation”, the same pattern was shown in measuring neuroticism. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:25 AM by Raze

[Raze]

13 hours ago, Elliott said:

No they're not. Feminism has nothing to do with banning chastity. Feminism has to do with a woman was only allowed to sleep with one man (they were chattel) while men were unrestricted. 

Where did Feminism ban men's chastity? Are you okay, women need to be chaste?!!!!! Why don't men choose chastity then? We have 5% of this forum on about how to get laid(as men). The same people that hate feminism are the same "pump n dump" guys. Try critical thinking, for a change of pace.

Bro, you lie on every thread. Quit engaging my comments.

Feminists oppose objectifying women, "pump n dump" , it's conservatives like you that glorify it, 'women are chattel'. I actually no longer care about incels like you, I'm making the choice right now, i do not care at all about the suicide statistic anymore, as you put it "you are responsible for that". You're calling for women to be property. Misogynist mind virus, just another example of your handlers trying to sow division and distraction.

The world will be better without the mysoginists. However they die is up to God 🥂. How's that patriarchy, for ya.

-straight white man

This happens every time, I debunk your arguments, you throw a hissy fit, ignore what I say, and start shrieking insults.

You have to be incredibly stupid to say conservatives support “pump and dump”, conservative religions literally think sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Meanwhile sex positive feminists encourage casual relations, which is where pump and dump occurs.

Look up the history of the sexual revolution and “free love”.

Do you think feminists were against it and conservatives supported it? You know nothing about society or history, you have a childish cartoon view of history and the world.

But since people like you can think critically you idiotically pin the blame on the opposite.

”straight white man”, correction: a emotional child, not a man.

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:16 AM by Raze

[Rafael Thundercat]

Guys, you need to start following some Decolonization accounts on Social Media. There are more things connected to Feminism than the more Toxic versions of it. There are Movements towards Matriachy, and it dont say that women should be in power, it actually say that we need a society organized around values of care, of protection of children,women,men,nature, land,animals etc.. 

 

[Elliott]

20 hours ago, Raze said:

 

You have to be incredibly stupid to say conservatives support “pump and dump”, conservative religions literally think sex outside of marriage is a sin.

 

Quit engaging my comments, I can't stand you.

 

 

 

Forbes

https://www.forbes.com

Musk Wants Custody Of Baby With Ashley St. Clair—Here's Why

Jan 12, 2026 — St. Clair, a right-wing influencer, claimed last year she had a child with Musk, who initially said he was unsure whether it was his.

 

 

 

The Fulcrum

https://thefulcrum.us

Pope Leo XIV's Rebuke of U.S. Immigration Policy Is a Wake-Up Call

Oct 2, 2025 — Pope Leo XIV challenges U.S. immigration policy, calling its treatment of migrants “inhuman” and inconsistent

 

 

 

 

CNN

https://www.cnn.com

Madison Cawthorn claims he was invited to an orgy in Washington

Mar 30, 2022 — North Carolina Republican Rep. Madison Cawthorn claimed that he has been invited to an orgy in Washington and had personally seen leaders in the

 

 

https://forums.somethingawful.com

Nancy Reagan: Blowjob Queen of Hollywood?

Aug 9, 2016 — She gave so many blow jobs to those in and around Hollywood, that she could be called the blow job queen of the area/industry

 

Actors and stars reported to have dated or been linked to Nancy Davis include:

Clark Gable

Robert Stack

Peter Lawford

Milton Berle

Frank Sinatra (

Spencer Tracy (

Robert Walker (

Yul Brynner (

 

 

 

https://feministing.com/2011/03/24/susie-bright-stop-talking-about-so-called-casual-sex/

Mar 24, 2011 — I also think that labeling–and disparaging–some sex as “casual” contributes to a culture in which sex is too often treated casually. It's a

 

 

BBC

https://www.bbc.com

Arnold Schwarzenegger admits fathering employee's child

May 18, 2011 — Former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has acknowledged he fathered a child with a member of his household staff

 

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com

Haliey Welch, Hawk Tuah girl, joining Trump's White House press team..

Aug 12, 2025 — Haliey Welch is no stranger to popularity, having gone viral with the 2024 TikTok interview where she uttered the iconic 'Hawk tuah…and spit 

Edited Wednesday at 09:56 PM by Elliott

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Tbh half this shit isn't even caused by gender wars. Patriarchy vs matriarchy. It's all just a distraction from the system making everyone miserable.

Stop watching podcasts lol

[AION]

Feminism is actually good for guys if you play it well as a guy with an abbundance mindset. You don't have to commit and just hit and run. If she doesn't conform to your frame you just go to a new girl. Because trying to force her to your frame will be seen as patriachy and abuse. So actually as a guy you have no option than to be a player because back in the day you had family pressure for women to behave and nowadays they can get away with everything and take 50% of your stuff if you were stupid enough to marry her. The game of dating and mating has changed and the problem is that most guys don't optimize their game for it. Only guys who fell out of out the boat are the way below average guys with no looks, money, status and social skills. Back in the day they still could get some but nowadays they are out of the market.

Edited Wednesday at 08:58 AM by AION

[zazen]

13 hours ago, Raze said:

You have to be incredibly stupid to say conservatives support “pump and dump”, conservative religions literally think sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Meanwhile sex positive feminists encourage casual relations, which is where pump and dump occurs.

@Elliott

There's variation among conservatives too. Their some massive hypocrites and / or the overton window has shifted so far that they're operating within liberal norms, whilst thinking they're being conservative. If we compare to non-Western cons or more traditional minded migrants in the West even there's quite a difference.

The trad cons and right wingers miss the stability of traditional systems, but still want the freedom of the modern system, especially the red bill bros. They talk of societal decline whilst spouting ''spin plates bro'' accelerating the decline. The chad types indulge and game the disparity created by the same freedoms they finger wag, whilst grifting incels to do the same. 

The Wests moral authority became the individual. Elevation of individual autonomy became the highest moral good - with feminism becoming one of the expressions, and spilling into other domains later. The earlier phase of feminism around legal rights etc is different to what later became license to ''do as thou wilt'' or not being ''judged'' for doing so especially around sexuality - framing any sort of constraint as repressive.

Technology and development (contraception, washing machine, internet, education / urbanization) removed a lot of external constraints - but the culture/shift in consciousness removed the internal constraints on behaviour too. Structural changes shift incentives, cultural changes influence how we interact with those new incentives / environments.

For example in the West there are many religious muslim's from conservative backgrounds still largely behaving traditional - despite being in a environment where no more constraints are there and if anything the influence to behave more degenerate are all around shown in music, movies etc. As the structural incentives change it becomes much harder to ''self-police'' or constrain ourselves - continuous conscious uphill battle. Which is why many conservatives try to change their environment to not be tempted - ie don't buy the cookies and ice cream and bring them into the house if on a diet, rather than burning willpower to not open the naught by snack cupboard in the kitchen. 

When a society lose a meta transcendent identity they self-sort into all kinds of sub groups / identities to feel rooted. Psychological apartheid energy.

[Elliott]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

@Elliott

There's variation among conservatives too. Their some massive hypocrites and / or the overton window has shifted so far that they're operating within liberal norms, 

The trad cons and right wingers miss the stability of traditional systems, but still want the freedom of the modern system, especially the red bill bros. They talk of societal decline whilst spouting ''spin plates bro'' accelerating the decline. The chad types indulge and game the disparity created by the same freedoms they finger wag, whilst grifting incels to do the same. 

  

For example in the West there are many religious muslim's from conservative backgrounds still largely behaving traditional - despite being in a environment where no more constraints are there and if anything the influence to behave more degenerate are all around shown in music, movies etc.

Revisionist history

 

Conservatives have never been about chastity, just read the Bible as evidence. It's always been hypocritical manipulative lies.

 

Why would people have revolted if it was good?

 

If you read any sort of 1st hand history you'd know the horrors women regularly endured, during the "chaste" period. Google the witch trials for heavens sake, that was by "Puritans".

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://youtu.be/tgRC4nWOvKQ?si=xwS_SF6-wvNOrxx_

 

Sex trafficking was a bigger industry than today, Louisiana was a French colony where France sent their trafficked girls and convicts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's wild that you would point to Islam for a conversation on women's treatment. Mohamad having 23 wives and concubines.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know you @zazen aren't attacking feminism here, but the ideas you have are still destructive in my opinion.

 

You guys seriously need to think about how you've been programmed on this. You will never be successful with women with this. It's why conservatives get divorced 5 times. I know you don't believe me, but you view women as objects.

 

There's no "removing temptation" that needs done. If guys would respect women, they would have zero inclination for "pump-n-dump", AND THEY WOULD GET A GIRLFRIEND THAT LIKES SYMBIOTIC SEX!! Divorce would disappear, everyone would be having babies. The only "shaming" that needs done is of men that objectify women, and misandry of course(women objectifying men), both of these are from patriarchy. Feminism doesn't promote 'the matriarchy', it promotes equality, no hierarchy.

Quote

 

 

@zazen Do you know what 'woman' means? (I'm not making the gender argument here)

Wo•man

What does this word mean? I'm not talking about gender or transgenderism.

https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/articles/the-history-of-the-word-woman/

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:11 PM by Elliott

[Elliott]

So, what do you pro-chastity guys think of pick up culture? I never notice anyone giving young men warnings on here about the pitfalls of pump-n-dump, why don't you?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 02:11 AM by Elliott

[Xonas Pitfall]

People do not willingly support or remain committed to things they strongly dislike over long periods of time.

You never hear a Black person wishing to return to slavery or missing their former enslaver to pick cotton for. You rarely hear children longing to go back to abusive households, or adults wanting to return long-term to toxic, abusive relationships. People do not voluntarily return to what harms them.

If there is one thing to learn from Actualized.org, it is that falsehood cannot sustain itself indefinitely. When people are free to choose, they tend to move toward what aligns with their sense of truth and self. The self reveals itself when unconstrained. People want to live in ways that feel authentic to them.

I do not fully understand why some men are so intensely concerned about women being promiscuous. For decades, many men openly pursued sexual access to women, often disregarding consent or boundaries. So why is it suddenly a major concern when women exercise sexual choice on their own terms? Why does autonomy create anxiety where coercion once did not?

The same question applies to marriage. Marriage was often described as a burden for men, something to avoid or resent. "The old ball and chain" = wife and kids. Now, men express disproportionate concern about women choosing not to marry or not to have children. Why the sudden shift? Where did these strong “concerns” for young women’s life choices come from?

It reminds me of when some men suddenly became “women’s health activists” the moment more plus-size models began appearing in mainstream media during the body-positivity movement. In reality, it often seemed less about health and more about frustration that beauty standards were shifting away from what they personally found attractive.

It is fine to admit that you prefer looking at conventionally attractive models. It is fine to acknowledge that you have personal standards or preferences. What feels disingenuous is framing that preference as sudden concern for women’s health and well-being, rather than admitting it is about attraction and aesthetics.

Similarly, if someone prefers women who are less sexually open because that feels more attractive or more traditionally feminine to them, they should say that plainly. It comes across as inconsistent to claim it is about protecting women’s safety or purity “for their own good,” when the real issue may simply be personal preference or discomfort with autonomy.

It is the same pattern you see with the adult industry. Suddenly, porn became a massive moral crisis when women started joining platforms like OnlyFans by choice, controlling their own content, setting their own prices, and keeping their own profits. Now it is framed as societal decay, exploitation, and an emergency that must be stopped.

But where was that same energy when thousands of women and girls were trafficked, coerced, manipulated, and pushed into porn or modeling through shady agencies and predatory systems? Where was the daily outrage then? It existed, but it was nowhere near as loud or culturally obsessive.

That contrast is hard to ignore.

Edited Thursday at 06:47 AM by Xonas Pitfall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Xonas Pitfall I was hoping you would poke your head in this thread 

Well said!

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Natasha Tori Maru

[Nercohype]

All Right wing people are subhumans. Conservitism is mental illness. Left is the only path before us. There is no otherway. We do need much more Feminine energies in our world. It is masculine that is dangerous and out of control. I don't give a fuck that right wing loser men had little bad time, buuhuu. Nothing in this world is a dangerous as maga madness

[AION]

Don't turn my precious thread in a soy boy shit show

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 hours ago, AION said:

Don't turn my precious thread in a soy boy shit show

It was that way to begin with 🤣