⚠️ [NSFW] ⚠️ New Epstein files dropped

[zazen]

4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

"President Zelensky invited Abramović to be an ambassador for Ukraine, specifically to help with projects for children, such as rebuilding schools.” you can google this. 

Marina Abramović is openly a satanist and children in Ukraine are being trafficed every day. Two reporters that spoke about it died 'by accident' 

This is the person in charge of 'helping' children

Is Putin based then?

Thing is pedophilia, corruption and sexual predation are worldwide. What makes it distinct in the West is the systematization and sophistication of the abuses. Like the difference between crime and organised crime.

What makes it sinister is the overlay of satanic rhetoric and symbolism we see in the West - that we see more conservative societies and people in the non-West speak against. Perhaps they are conflated and not as linked or coordinated as we think. I was chatting to GPT about it back and forth and came to some explanations:

1. When late stage empires lose a shared moral center, art and culture do three things, in this order:

Transgression replaces virtue, Shock replaces meaning, Inversion replaces aspiration

- This has happened before: Late Rome (decadent theater, sexualized power, cruelty as spectacle), Late Versailles (mockery of religion, fetishized excess), Weimar Germany (hypersexual, nihilistic art)

Hollywood today is textbook late-imperial culture. Ironically, satanic narratives protect the system by making it sound too insane to confront politically.

2. Satanic symbolism is culturally preloaded shorthand for: inversion of norms, rebellion against authority, taboo-breaking, dominance over the sacred. contempt for restraint

Artists use it because: it instantly signals “transgressive”, provokes attention, generates controversy (free marketing), flatters the elite self-image of being “beyond morality”

It’s aesthetic rebellion, not metaphysical allegiance.

3.  Modern culture is governed by attention economics, not meaning.

In attention markets: outrage outperforms beauty, shock outperforms coherence, taboo outperforms subtlety

So the system rewards: ever more extreme visuals, sexualization, blasphemy, nihilism

Not because elites believe in it — but because it sells and dominates discourse.

4. Hollywood sits at the intersection of: extreme wealth. extreme narcissism, weak accountability, performative rebellion, permanent adolescence

Combine that with: declining belief in religion, declining belief in nation, declining belief in truth. And what’s left Rebellion without a cause becomes identity.

5.  It feels coordinated because: the same incentives apply everywhere, the same social class circulates globally, the same aesthetics signal “elite belonging”. You’re seeing class culture, not conspiracy.

Just like: aristocrats once wore powdered wigs, financiers wear Patagonia vests, tech elites wear minimalism, Hollywood elites wear transgression.

** Actual Satanists vs theatrical symbolism 

6. Majority of identifiable or perceived satanists use the symbolism as short hand for rebellion and transgression. Not as a metaphysical conviction. It's provocation, not religion.

A much smaller fringe group believe in its via occultism, drawing from Crowley and Jung.  Still usually non-theistic. More about psychology and identity than power.

A even smaller group are actual theistic Satanists. Tiny numbers with no political or institutional power. Just a isolated sub-culture.

Why this still feels sinister

1. Because the moral signal is real, even if the metaphysics aren’t.

What people are sensing is: A ruling cultural class that openly plays with domination, dehumanization, and inversion of the sacred — because it no longer fears consequences.

The imagery is not evidence of a literal satanic priesthood cabal running the world. But it is evidence of something just as consequential: a civilizational loss of moral center at the cultural elite level.

2.  The dominant signals in Western elite culture right now are: transgression as virtue, shock as sophistication, desecration as creativity, rebellion without purpose, power without responsibility.

That combination tells you something very precise: The culture no longer knows what it is protecting, so it celebrates what it once restrained.

That is a late-stage civilizational marker, not a conspiracy.

3.  It’s not just that the imagery exists — it’s that it is tolerated, normalized, and platformed.

Strong civilizations do not: aestheticize self-degradation, eroticize domination, mock the sacred in mass culture, expose children to nihilistic symbolism, confuse transgression with progress

They don’t need to ban it aggressively — they simply don’t reward it.

4.  Why this is different from “dark power centers”

You’re also right to separate these two things:

Imperial intelligence / power networks
→ cold, instrumental, amoral, strategic

Cultural nihilism / decadence
→ expressive, symbolic, narcissistic, theatrical

They can coexist — and they do — but they are not the same phenomenon.

Epstein, intelligence networks, informal power, empire: operate through incentives, secrecy, leverage. Don’t need symbolism, don’t care about aesthetics, don’t advertise themselves.

The cultural transgression you’re describing is almost the opposite: it’s loud, performative, self-exposing, morally exhibitionist

That alone should tell you it’s not the “real control layer”.

5. A civilization does not collapse because it worships evil —
it collapses because it stops believing in the good.

When that happens: limits dissolve, shame disappears, meaning erodes, power becomes playful, cruelty becomes aesthetic.

People reach for satanic explanations because: they’re trying to name moral inversion, they’re grasping for a vocabulary of evil, they feel something has gone fundamentally wrong

They’re not wrong about the wrongness — just about the mechanism.

6.  If similar symbolism spread elsewhere without resistance, that would indicate moral decay there too.

This isn’t “Western evil” as essence. It’s what happens to any wealthy, insulated elite culture that loses restraint.

The West just happens to be there now — and exporting it globally.

7. To conclude:

The prevalence of transgressive, demonic, and nihilistic symbolism in Western elite culture does not indicate a hidden satanic priesthood or occult governance. It indicates something both simpler and more serious: the loss of a shared moral center. The imagery functions as symbolic inversion — a way for insulated elites to signal untouchability, rebellion, and dominance in a culture where restraint no longer commands respect. The danger is not metaphysical but civilizational. When a society tolerates and platforms such aesthetics, especially in mass culture and before children, it signals not secret belief but moral exhaustion.

Conspiracy bro's having a field day though and no one anymore is going to dismiss them outright for probably a decade lol. The danger is in mixing half truths with non truths - or connecting and conflating two half truths to think they got the ''whole Truth''.

Certain things should simply not be tolerated even for ''art'' or ''freedom of speech''. This is where liberalism trips up over itself. ''FrEeDoM''. No - ya'll need Jesus, Muhammed, Bhudda and Leo Gura. A mature sense of spirituality is needed without religious dogmatism. None of this childish adolesecnet poo pooing of anything ''conservative'' constraining your precious ''FrEeDoMs'' with all that moral relativism.

But that would be ''AuThOriTaRiaN''. This is reflexive libertarian / liberal brain slop propoganda trained to make anything feel like a slippery slope to Hitler. Just like with how right wingers can view any socialist policy as the slippery slope to communism. Liberate those wallets for the oligarchs broski.

Edited Thursday at 03:58 PM by zazen

[zazen]

The best video I've come across to understand Epstein:

The first hour is mind blowing, even the second. Can skip the last 40 min if short on time.

Before and as you guys listen to it - read the following tweet I came across and keep it in mind as to how the world operates https://x.com/matthewstoller/status/2018388941389373748:

''The Jeff Epstein saga isn't a scandal about pedophilia, it's about a Russian word called 'blat,' a Soviet-era word meaning  'the use of personal networks for obtaining goods and services in short supply and for circumventing formal procedures.' It's about a kind of government.

As with the large number of 'blatniks' in the Soviet era who made sure their factories got what they needed outside the formal state procurement process, Epstein greased the wheels for the neoliberal state. His job was governance. 

What does that mean? Well it's clear that Epstein was an entrepreneurial broker across multiple public and private bureaucracies, helping organize 'under-the-table' deals among the legal, business, intelligence, and political elites to allow them to escape the rule of law and traditional conflict of interest restrictions. It's statecraft to allow a superclass to systemically escape the formalized rules.

The pedophilia and prostitution were part of it - that is obviously violating the rule of law - but so are the random favors Epstein bestowed. Like Epstein sending Senator Joe Manchin's request for a yacht, a request which came from the First lady of the Virginia Islands, to a random NY financier who might have one. Or working with Joi Ito at MIT and billionaire Reid Hoffman to restructure the Bitcoin Foundation. It's all about matching capital and talent and inputs outside of the restrictions ordinary people are subject to.

This kind of governance is particularly important in Soviet-style states, where everyone knows the rules are fake, where skirting the system IS the system. Epstein and his affiliates thrived because of the weakened institutions of the United States, institutions enfeebled in many cases by the men in his network, like Larry Summers. These men adopted multiple roles - advisor, businessman, academic, board member, regulator - and put on the hat that best maximized their self-interest and the self-interest of their narrow network at that moment.

The old world, where handing someone your business card meant you represented that institution, disappeared in the 1980s. Over the course of the 1990s, neoconservatives, neoliberals, bankers - ultimately Epstein's network - built this new social order. It was one where you couldn't succeed through the formal rules, but if you were let into the networks of trust by blatniks, you could do anything you wanted.

While all the specifics of Epstein's network are not known, and while conspiracy theorists often have crazy views, they have correctly fingered that the world of meritocracy and formalized systems is increasingly a fraud. And that the real government lies elsewhere.

In short, when formal democratic institutions like Congress stop governing, the networks of men like Epstein fill the power vacuum. Epstein built what Roy Cohn always wanted to have, but never achieved, because the then-institutions were too strong for him to break.''
 

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

[Wilhelm44]

26 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

At least i wont be famous for boxing like a ballerina lol God bless his one track mind.

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

He's mad that he's not in the Epstein files.

[Cireeric]

8 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I think he expresses exactly the worldview that is also being held by people like Epstein: There is no value except pure power. Either youre an predator or youre prey. Caring about morality is like caring about a fairy-tale and youre depraved acts of sexual-abuse also work as affirmation of that. And in a sense it is the most fucked-up mutation of postmodernism.

[Elliott]

-Andrew Tate the sex trafficker

This is a hair away from being an epiphany. These are the guys that say society's problems are from feminists being mean...

Edited Friday at 02:12 AM by Elliott

[zazen]

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00090314.pdf

“(U) Captioned Confidential Human Source (CHS) was asked by the handling agent about information he/she may be aware of related to improper domestic or foreign influence over the electoral process in the U.S. CHS already provided some of this information documented in previous reports, but he/she expanded on several matters, as described below:

(U Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz (Dershowitz). CHS learned that Dershowitz influenced many students from wealthy families. For example. Josh Kushner (Josh) and Jared Kushner (Jared) were both his students. Dershowitz told CHS that if he were young again, he would be holding a stun gun as an Israeli Intelligence (Mossad) agent. CHS believed Dershowitz was co-opted by Mossad and subscribed to their mission. CHS still continues to communicate occasionally for Dershowitz [See previous reporting].

(U) Jeffrey Epstein (Epstein) was represented by Dershowitz. CHS remembered Dershowitz tell Alex Ocasta (U.S. Attorney of Southern District of Florida at the time) that Epstein belonged to both U.S. and allied intelligence services. CHS shared phone calls between Dershowitz and Epstein during which he/she took notes. After these calls, Mossad would then call Dershowitz to debrief. Epstein was close to the former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak (Barak) and trained as a spy under him. Barak believed Netanyahu was a criminal. Saudi Arabia, Israel and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) are allied against Qatar, Turkey, Iran and Syria. One of CHS' (who presumably worke asked CHS a lot of questions about Epstein. CHS became convinced t t pstein was a co-opted Mossad Agent (see previous reporting).”

[Kid A]

16 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I won’t mention any names, but I bet there are certain someones on this forum who are thinking, “He actually has a good point here,” despite having watched hours of Leo’s videos about truth, happiness, etc.

[Asayake]

10 hours ago, Cireeric said:

I think he expresses exactly the worldview that is also being held by people like Epstein: There is no value except pure power. Either youre an predator or youre prey. Caring about morality is like caring about a fairy-tale and youre depraved acts of sexual-abuse also work as affirmation of that. And in a sense it is the most fucked-up mutation of postmodernism.

Right, he's basically justifying his own depraved behavior by using Epstein. "You lost to a scumbag" is just him talking about himself, the multiple girls he manipulated into his camsite business..

[Elliott]

4 hours ago, Kid A said:

I won’t mention any names, but I bet there are certain someones on this forum who are thinking, “He actually has a good point here,” despite having watched hours of Leo’s videos about truth, happiness, etc.

And then blame the feminist movement or dei. It's coming. "men are going to have sex with someone, nature"

Edited Friday at 01:11 PM by Elliott

[Cireeric]

3 hours ago, Asayake said:

Right, he's basically justifying his own depraved behavior by using Epstein. "You lost to a scumbag" is just him talking about himself, the multiple girls he manipulated into his camsite business..

Tate probably sees Epstein as big daddy lol

[AION]

Funny how the matrix tried to get Tate but the matrix much more dirt on their hands. Tate starting to look like a nice guy with a webcam business. 🤣I always look with a weary eye to people who are so anti Tate. They are hiding something. 

Edited Friday at 02:04 PM by AION

[Jannes]

11 minutes ago, AION said:

Funny how the matrix tried to get Tate but the matrix much more dirt on their hands. Tate starting to look like a nice guy with a webcam business. 🤣I always look with a weary eye to people who are so anti Tate. They are hiding something. 

Epstein is worse then Tate but I am not sure about most of the people associated with him. Many of those could justify their actions through group think which is a natural human instinct. Depends on your opinion if that counts to any degree. Tate seemed to have none of that, it was kind of an original idea of him to start his sex trafficking business. 

[Elliott]

39 minutes ago, AION said:

Funny how the matrix tried to get Tate but the matrix much more dirt on their hands. Tate starting to look like a nice guy with a webcam business. 🤣I always look with a weary eye to people who are so anti Tate. They are hiding something. 

....you think the "matrix" outed itself?

The people in those files were pro Tate, actually. Musk, Trump, Bannon, 

[AION]

@Elliott @Jannes  I don't like Tate either but I don't try to crusify him and label him as the ultimate demon. All I'm saying is that people who do do that have some dirt themselves.

A friend of mine was very anti Tate, and intuitively I knew there was some shady stuff going on so I probed his motivations and it was apparent that he was frustrated not being able to get a gf, and the date he had was snatched away by a guy who was a Andrew Tate type of guy.

I mean, why get angry at Andrew Tate type of guys? Women chose them. 

If you baffoons look deeper, Epstein was not the one who was doing the grooming, EPSTEIN HAD INFLUTIAL OLDER FEMALES WHO WORKED FOR HIM WILLINGLY AND DID ALL THE GROOMING OF YOUNG GIRLS FOR HIM! That is why this is such a bomshell but the MAT-RIX is hiding this because women are always the so-called victim.

 

 

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Key Enablers and Recruiters

• Ghislaine Maxwell: Epstein's longtime companion, convicted in 2022 of sex trafficking and grooming. Victims testified she befriended them as teenagers, normalization of sexual conduct, and scheduled "massage" appointments.
• Lesley Groff: A longtime executive assistant to Epstein, named as an enabler in civil lawsuits for her alleged role in scheduling and facilitating his meetings with young women.
• Cimberly Espinosa: Another associate named alongside Groff in civil litigation for allegedly facilitating Epstein's network.
• Sarah Kellen (now Sarah Kellen Vickers): Mentioned in court documents and by victims as a primary assistant who helped schedule massages and manage Epstein’s daily roster of young women.
• Adriana Ross: Often cited in legal filings and by former employees as an assistant involved in the day-to-day operations of Epstein’s residences.
• Nadia Marcinkova: A former pilot and associate identified in multiple accounts as being part of Epstein's inner circle and involved in his travels with young women. 

The "Pyramid Scheme" of Recruitment

• Victim testimonies, such as those from Virginia Giuffre and Carolyn, described a system where Epstein and Maxwell incentivized victims to recruit their own friends. 
• Virginia Giuffre: While a victim herself, she testified to being tasked with recruiting other girls, including introducing Carolyn to Epstein when they were both teenagers.
• Rina Oh: A former associate and victim who admitted to introducing at least three young women to Epstein, including Marijke Chartouni, under Epstein's direction.
• Victim-Recruiters: Many young women were reportedly paid hundreds of dollars in cash to bring friends to Epstein's residences, effectively creating a "pyramid scheme of abuse". 

Edited Friday at 03:36 PM by AION

[Elliott]

21 minutes ago, AION said:

@Elliott @Jannes  I don't like Tate either but I don't try to crusify him and label him as the ultimate demon. All I'm saying is that people who do do that have some dirt themselves.

A friend of mine was very anti Tate, and intuitively I knew there was some shady stuff going on so I probed his motivations and it was apparent that he was frustrated not being able to get a gf, and the date he had was snatched away by a guy who was a Andrew Tate type of guy.

I mean, why get angry at Andrew Tate type of guys? Women chose them. 

If you baffoons look deeper, Epstein was not the one who was doing the grooming, EPSTEIN HAD INFLUTIAL OLDER FEMALES WHO WORKED FOR HIM WILLINGLY AND DID ALL THE GROOMING OF YOUNG GIRLS FOR HIM! That is why this is such a bomshell but the MAT-RIX is hiding this because women are always the so-called victim.

 

 

=========

Key Enablers and Recruiters

• Ghislaine Maxwell: Epstein's longtime companion, convicted in 2022 of sex trafficking and grooming. Victims testified she befriended them as teenagers, normalization of sexual conduct, and scheduled "massage" appointments.
• Lesley Groff: A longtime executive assistant to Epstein, named as an enabler in civil lawsuits for her alleged role in scheduling and facilitating his meetings with young women.
• Cimberly Espinosa: Another associate named alongside Groff in civil litigation for allegedly facilitating Epstein's network.
• Sarah Kellen (now Sarah Kellen Vickers): Mentioned in court documents and by victims as a primary assistant who helped schedule massages and manage Epstein’s daily roster of young women.
• Adriana Ross: Often cited in legal filings and by former employees as an assistant involved in the day-to-day operations of Epstein’s residences.
• Nadia Marcinkova: A former pilot and associate identified in multiple accounts as being part of Epstein's inner circle and involved in his travels with young women. 

The "Pyramid Scheme" of Recruitment

• Victim testimonies, such as those from Virginia Giuffre and Carolyn, described a system where Epstein and Maxwell incentivized victims to recruit their own friends. 
• Virginia Giuffre: While a victim herself, she testified to being tasked with recruiting other girls, including introducing Carolyn to Epstein when they were both teenagers.
• Rina Oh: A former associate and victim who admitted to introducing at least three young women to Epstein, including Marijke Chartouni, under Epstein's direction.
• Victim-Recruiters: Many young women were reportedly paid hundreds of dollars in cash to bring friends to Epstein's residences, effectively creating a "pyramid scheme of abuse". 

Ghislaine is in prison......

I think Tate lies to boys, leads them down destructive paths.

Misogyny knows no bounds.... TRUMP IS PRESIDENT, HIS ENTIRE CABINET IS IN THE FILES.

Trump is in the files auctioning girls, and raping, "bUt ePsTeInS aSsIstAnTs!"

Edited Friday at 03:50 PM by Elliott

[AION]

Epstein didn't go around kindergartens to collect barby doll type of girls. He had an army of women grooming for him, putting their own ass on a plate and after that introduce naive little girls to Epstein. I researched Epsteins' method. His game was basically logistics, peer pressure and small time escalations. I did research on his techniques but I won't be sharing them here on this forum.

Edited Friday at 03:42 PM by AION

[AION]

I always knew this shit bag Chomksy was sketchy while others were praising him into the sky. It is disgusting that is not getting 10% of the attention Andrew Tate got for his legal businesses. I'm kind of disappointed on how people lack basic intuition. 

 

Edited Friday at 04:16 PM by AION

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, AION said:

I always knew this shit bag Chomksy was sketchy while others were praising him into the sky. It is disgusting that is not getting 10% of the attention Andrew Tate got for his legal businesses. I'm kind of disappointed on how people lack basic intuition. 

 

Chomsky is not implicated in wrong-doing, Tate sex-trafficked girls. Do you disagree with chomskys letter?

Edited Friday at 03:58 PM by Elliott