Nobody knows anything

[Terell Kirby]

Why do we kid ourselves?

I’m finding this position is the best ground to do deep contemplation about what’s true- prevents you from taking on biases of teachers and humans in general.

Pick up a topic, and admit to yourself that nobody knows anything about it. Until we personally validate truth claims about any aspect of reality, it is hearsay taken on faith.

For example- The sky was blue before you knew that others “knew” about the color of the sky. Our experience is prior and fundamental than the idea of some “other” knowing about it.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:30 AM by Terell Kirby

[Ramasta9]

Nobody Knows

^ Only the no-body Knows

[Mellowmarsh]

It’s true, nothing is known outside of human-constructed concepts.

Words serve only as tools shaping and flavouring representational models of what is ultimately mysterious and unknowable.

Nothing knows what is being looked at, or what is looking at what is being looked at.

 

 

 

 

 

[Someone here]

Unfortunately most people are drunk on knowledge.  

The bible says when Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge they became knowledgeable of good and bad and gotten kicked out of the paradise..because satan told them you gonna live forever like god .  Decode.

[Monster Energy]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Unfortunately most people are drunk on knowledge.  

The bible says when Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge they became knowledgeable of good and bad and gotten kicked out of the paradise..because satan told them you gonna live forever like god .  Decode.

Mentioning that people lack strong understanding and then quoting a Bible verse isn’t very wise. It’s not a good combination, and people won’t read it as intelligent. Instead, it comes across as someone who thinks they’re saying something profound, while actually lowering the quality of the message. Be more attentive to this going forward, or don’t.

 

[Someone here]

@Monster Energy love you too.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Yes, certainty tends to crowd out learning. Information gets bounced off - or tends to be twisted to fit what is already there.

I run into this in business. When I am raising a possible issue we need to address to prevent a future bad outcome. 

I usually encounter this when I am speaking to someone that outranks me in experience.

Edited 16 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Monster Energy]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Monster Energy love you too.

I know 

[TruthFreedom]

The sky can't be blue without an eye perceiving, and a brain interpreting it as blue. 

That explanation only scratches the surface.

[LastThursday]

17 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

Our experience is prior and fundamental than the idea of some “other” knowing about it.

This is entirely correct. Our direct experience is the final arbiter of truth. But, our interpretation of that direct experience can still mislead us. And our interpretation depends on what we already know.

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

This is entirely correct. Our direct experience is the final arbiter of truth. But, our interpretation of that direct experience can still mislead us. And our interpretation depends on what we already know.

@LastThursday if you might engage me for a sec ...

We are born ( assumption but let me start somewhere)as blank slate..(ditch genetics and biology for now )..we are born knowing literally nothing at all . We accumulate knowledge via our senses ..and via external sources..even your reasoning right now is NOT 100% coming from "YOU" ..simply because YOU are just awareness..all ideas about logic..mathematics..scientific facts ..logical deductions ..etc ..is coming to you from your environment.  Then how is it possible to know anything with 100% originality ? It seems like direct sensory experience is the only way. But if we agree on that ..then the question arises : okay so what exactly is THIS? Where did it come from and where is it going ? Maybe these themselves are assumptions which are NOT found in direct experience. But then that means THIS is just here and full stop .  I have no proplem with this (until past midnight 😂).

Any thoughts (which are not derived  from brainwashing and input being fed to you from external sources)?

[James123]

18 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

Why do we kid ourselves?

I’m finding this position is the best ground to do deep contemplation about what’s true- prevents you from taking on biases of teachers and humans in general.

Pick up a topic, and admit to yourself that nobody knows anything about it. Until we personally validate truth claims about any aspect of reality, it is hearsay taken on faith.

For example- The sky was blue before you knew that others “knew” about the color of the sky. Our experience is prior and fundamental than the idea of some “other” knowing about it.

 

Even being attached to "nobody knows anything", isn't it still knowing?

[Lyubov]

We live in the unknown. That’s cool. Wouldn’t life be so boring if you knew everything? Like a kart on rails. 

[Breakingthewall]

In spirituality, there's a bias against the conceptual, as if the human mind were some kind of error we should reverse to reach the level of a cat, sheep, or cow, which live in the present moment without conceptualizing.

The conceptual mind is a structure that reality creates and that has the power to understand basically everything. It's another matter that our minds usually operate trapped in emotional limitations and aren't free, but a free mind is a divine instrument.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

We live in the unknown. That’s cool. Wouldn’t life be so boring if you knew everything? Like a kart on rails. 

You know everything. You are, that's everything. Forms are just forms. 

[Terell Kirby]

22 minutes ago, James123 said:

Even being attached to "nobody knows anything", isn't it still knowing?

I dont know 

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

You know everything. You are, that's everything. Forms are just forms. 

how do you know that ?

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Terell Kirby said:

 

how do you know that ?

Because I am

[LastThursday]

@Someone here direct experience is not arbitrary. If it was it would be complete unknowable chaos.  It has a coherence, a structure, rules, ways of being, intelligence, unity. This is aside from any constructed entitities we hold in our mind's eye. And all our constructions fundamentally originate from direct experience, even if they're shared by others.

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

It has a coherence, a structure, rules, ways of being, intelligence, unity. This is aside from any constructed entitities we hold in our mind's eye.

To give a concerte example which might make the conversation easier :

Water boils at 100 Celsius. We call that something which we know objectively. Is this independent of you holding this idea in your mind ? Is objectivity happening within subjectivity or the other way around?  I hope the question is clear 😅

[LastThursday]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Water boils at 100 Celsius. We call that something which we know objectively. Is this independent of you holding this idea in your mind ? Is objectivity happening within subjectivity or the other way around?

I'm going to be annoying. When doesn't water boil at 100C?

I think all objectivity is a slippery thing, there's always exceptions. I wonder if there is any objective thing that doesn't have exceptions? All objectivity is based on a finite number of prior examples, but something truly objective would require 100% certainty. Most objective stuff is constructed in the mind from repeated patterns we directly perceive in subjective awareness.