Leo can't fix you because you are Neurodivergent

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Joshe said:

The point of ND, for me, was to shine a light on those shadows. It has nothing to do with labels, unless you’re an egotist. 

How come you were unable to see your shadows without the label?

[theleelajoker]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yeah, it seems to be the actual root issue behind the surface discussion regarding labels/concepts/ideas. It's not about ND not ND. NT not NT. It could be anything. It's the underlying theme behind the human drive towards concept/idea/label in an attempt to seek existential meaning. Without investigating what meaning is, in an of itself.

There appears to be attachment present. And reassurance / relief from said attachment. Evidence by emotional attribution. 

This is actually counter to equinimity. 

There's a huge mix of users who are more direct experience based, and those more concept/thought based. Sometimes there isn't the realisation the concept/thought/idea/label acts as a cataract between the eyes and the vision/truth.

This is a heavy model/concept thread. 

I am aligned with your view. But I don't want to engage, pick my battles etc 🥹

Strong agreement. Well said IMO.

Seeing and seeking meaning in words instead of experience. Been there. Still do it, but less and less. The IWOW and the samahdi series of Daniel Schmidt is amazing re this topic. 

Re this forum : it's a good testing ground here to express some methods, ideas etc. And it's entertaining Sometimes also a little bit of positive influence can be created. But truly meaningful interactions are IME better placed 1) IRL 2) with people actively seeking change instead of confirmation 

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

It seems you think acceptance of the idea would hamper your development. But we're saying it would increase it. The healthy way is not to use it as a crutch or to just throw your hands up and say "fuck it, this is just the way I am - no development for me", but rather to not fight yourself and to design life around the REAL constraints you have.

By accepting it, you can actually be more true to yourself and go after things you truly enjoy. For example, for some, they may feel liberated from all the social pressure and accept that they will never be what society wants them to be, and they might realize they don't REALLY value that anyway, so they can accept forgoing some bullshit society wants them to deal with, and instead focus on what they ACTUALLY enjoy. 

You can't imagine the liberation of such deep self-acceptance until you drop the load of bricks you've been carrying. Most here are carrying a load of bricks around and don't even know it. 

Dropping them let's you stop wasting energy fighting the wrong battles. It makes merging with your true, authentic self easy, and it lets you do it without apology - all you have to do is accept it. This is deep shit bro. If you experienced what I did, it was absolutely revelatory and healing, as in extremely healthy and good for me. 

So, if most here are autistic, there's a good chance they too can partake in the healing. Not sure why you'd be against that. 

It's good that you've used the neurotypical-neurodivergent terminology to find out whether you're acting in line with what you really want. That has been my main occupation my entire life. My internal feeling for what I want, is a 190 decibel siren. I'm the idealist.

It might benefit other people, so do what you think is best.

[Hojo]

@JosheThis has nothing to do with the label. Its the reactions they have been bullied into feeling, because of how their mind is structured. You can throw every label out and blanket state say react however you want to everyone. Its just unconscious karma, the same thing everyone has even regular people. This is not specific to the neurodivergent. Its just neurodivergent people are bullied into using their structures differently so alot of the unconcious karma is negative. The books you read didnt make you realize that you 'dont have the structrues' its teaching you, you are using your structures wrong, because of bullying.

When you cry about it means you are throwing this trash out, you arent making realizations about anything, you are finally freeing your mind from its cage.

If you ever awaken its like that feeling times 1 trillion.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@theleelajoker

To be clear I'm not shitting on concepts/ideas/labels or thought. They have their use and they are absolutely an asset.

But we if are talking spiritual process, freeing, acceptance, integration, ending unnessecary suffering and awakening - as you start to dissolve conditioning we see how these things act to fuck everything up. So you learn exactly when to throw them away, and when you use them.

It also becomes very clear when others are using them to identify with ego, centralising experience. Rather than dissolving the subject / object relationship we have and being within experience in a nonlocal, free way. No judgement. Only discernment.

It's like seeing the clouds and saying 'those are MY clouds, MY sky' 'MY ideas, MY thoughts' 

Not sure if this resonates with you? I think you understand this part of the path ❤️

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Autistics seem to use rules for determining emotional expression, non-autistics seem to use vibes. Vibes seem to be more efficient and more accurate when you only have the eyes to go by (the test is apparently time sensitive; I did not know that the first time I took the test).

I am heavily vibe-oriented, but I also love theory too, and not even.  It just depends.  I'm weirder than neurodivergence it seems.

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@theleelajoker

To be clear I'm not shitting on concepts/ideas/labels or thought. They have their use and they are absolutely an asset.

But we if are talking spiritual process, freeing, acceptance, integration, ending unnessecary suffering and awakening - as you start to dissolve conditioning we see how these things act to fuck everything up. So you learn exactly when to throw them away, and when you use them.

It also becomes very clear when others are using them to identify with ego, centralising experience. Rather than dissolving the subject / object relationship we have and being within experience in a nonlocal, free way. No judgement. Only discernment.

It's like seeing the clouds and saying 'those are MY clouds, MY sky' 'MY ideas, MY thoughts' 

Not sure if this resonates with you? I think you understand this part of the path ❤️

Yes they have their use, but IMO are very often understood and used in a way a) where the tool becomes the goal b) it's "wrongly" used. Use a knife to cut your food, not to cut your toenails 

You remember the thread about "universal mind"? Categories re people lose a lot of their relevance once the fluidity of the mind and the mask of personality becomes more transparent