How to increase pranayama count?

[Magnanimous]

I originally posted this on the Kriya Yoga Megathread but nobody has replied in >1 week so I'm posting here

JC Stevens says that you should start doing pranayama for 12 reps a day. Then after a few months increase to 24

But I only plan on doing pranayama + maha mudra + Kriya Supreme Fire. So I can obviously increase the rate.

How do I know when to increase the amount of pranayamas I'm doing? And by how many reps? 

[Leo Gura]

Just by feel.

30-60 minutes of pranayama is a good number.

You can start with that and if you start to feel too much energy getting activated you can cut it in half.

You should be doing at least 60 mins of pranayama daily. Ideally 90 mins.

I do it in batches of 36 per session. 2 sessions per day. This takes me about 35 mins per session. Do more if you can take the heat. Do less if you can't.

Ideally you want to do as many pranayama as possible. Old school gurus would assign 8 hours of pranayama per day to their most serious students.

The more pranayama you do the sooner you will reach God.

Think of it like this: you need something like 100,000-300,000 pranayama to reach liberation. This is a very loose number but you get the idea. If you only do 12/day you will die before you reach it. If you do 100/day you can reach it in 3 years.

How soon do you want to meet God? Up to you.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

What is the benefit of these? Increased mindfulness like meditation? 

[Oppositionless]

What are the most powerful Kriyas? Sadhguru, Stevens or Gamana?

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, LordFall said:

What is the benefit of these? Increased mindfulness like meditation? 

It rewires your whole mind/brain for higher consciousness.

Like lifting weight for your soul.

[UnbornTao]

Breathing your way to enlightenment. 

Edited 21 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Oppositionless said:

What are the most powerful Kriyas? Sadhguru, Stevens or Gamana?

Gamana.

Is easy to follow and direct.

Stevens is overly complicated and needs to be pruned down to the core essentials. But I like his way of visualizing the prana flowing up the spine. This is key in my opinion.

Edited 20 hours ago by Leo Gura

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura

Bro. Satana gamana has a YouTube channel he recently created and it's amazing. His energy, stream of words are so sync. He's definitely speaking from the absolute.

 

 

[aurum]

38 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@Leo Gura

Bro. Satana gamana has a YouTube channel he recently created and it's amazing. His energy, stream of words are so sync. He's definitely speaking from the absolute.

 

Interesting, not what I would have expected of him.

Great find.

[Ramasta9]

One of the most powerful things I have done for consciousness and tbh even relaxing the entire nervous system and healing the body is chanting or Aum/Ohming for 30 - 40 minutes in a sauna for 3 - 4 times a week. Sound is so powerful and because its long sounds, its roughly 1 - 2 deep breaths per minute.

Chanting when done properly even replaces physical yoga itself because its all about vibrational release whether you do it through sound and breath or movement. I am realizing why some great sages never did yoga movements but just meditated and chanted mostly, when done right, other practices become obsolete.

Edited 19 hours ago by Ramasta9

[bazera]

@Leo Gura

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How soon do you want to meet God? Up to you.

Isn't 5-Meo a faster way?

Or you mean pranayamas are supposed to rewire your mind/brain permanently and slowly, but 5-Meo is just a way of waking up quickly but doesn't stick.

[Oppositionless]

11 hours ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura

Isn't 5-Meo a faster way?

Or you mean pranayamas are supposed to rewire your mind/brain permanently and slowly, but 5-Meo is just a way of waking up quickly but doesn't stick.

I'm not highly experienced in either 5 meo or kriya yoga but I would suspect they both lead to permanent shifts, but different.

5 meo might lead to permanent nondual realization but without touching the vasanas / egoic tendencies .

Also how powerful a technique is is directly proportional to how dangerous it is. Kriya yoga is more powerful and more dangerous than mediation , 5 meo dmt is the most powerful and therefore the most dangeorus. It might be hazardous to take enough 5 meo to cause permanent awakening, depending on the person 

Edited 6 hours ago by Oppositionless

[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura

Isn't 5-Meo a faster way?

It is much faster but temporary. Pranayama raises baseline state very slowly.

Ideally you can do both. Burn the candle from both ends.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Oppositionless]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is much faster but temporary. Pranayama raises baseline state very slowly.

Ideally you can do both. Burn the candle from both ends.

Do you think people like Martin Ball who claim permanent awakening from 5 meo are tricking themselves? Or do you just think for your own genetics 5 meo is only temporary?

[Magnanimous]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Think of it like this: you need something like 100,000-300,000 pranayama to reach liberation. This is a very loose number but you get the idea. If you only do 12/day you will die before you reach it. If you do 100/day you can reach it in 3 years.

@Leo Gura what are the factors influencing time taken to reach liberation?

[Leo Gura]

49 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

Do you think people like Martin Ball who claim permanent awakening from 5 meo are tricking themselves? Or do you just think for your own genetics 5 meo is only temporary?

People can have special genetics that make them exceptions to the rule. But the rule is that psychedelics will permanently change your baseline state. However, psychedelics have other subtle permanent effects. I am not permanently in a 5-MeO state, but 5-MeO did change me in permanent ways.

I don't think he is tricking himself. But I think his level/state could be higher than it is. So I think he would benefit from yoga even if he's already in an elevated state. There's infinite room at the top.

20 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

@Leo Gura what are the factors influencing time taken to reach liberation?

Genetics is the biggest factor. But also various factors in how your mind is structured and your lifestyle and life choices. If you are out whoring every day then it will probably take longer. Although not necessarily. Not if your genetics are great.

The biggest factors are genetics and your passion and effort in practicing yoga. To overcome bad genetics just practice harder and with more passion. Although for some people no amount of yoga will work. So try other methods too. Find whatever works for you.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[bazera]

@Leo Gura

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It is much faster but temporary. Pranayama raises baseline state very slowly.

Yes I get that, but also the other point is that if you can awake to God with 5-Meo temporarily, it will affect your Kriya practice, if not physiologically, just by knowing that this shit is real, it will affect the way you practice it, you'll do it with more passion and intention.

I haven't done psychedelics but what I imagine is that it would greatly convinse me to do some kind of manual practice. Because without that, I need months if not years to feel like the practice is going somewhere, and it's hard to stick to it when nothing is happening and you don't even know if any of this is real. I believe psychedelics would help me in that.

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Ideally you can do both. Burn the candle from both ends.

Yup, I'll do that, I'll see how it goes.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, bazera said:

the other point is that if you can awake to God with 5-Meo temporarily, it will affect your Kriya practice, if not physiologically, just by knowing that this shit is real

Yes, of course that is huge.

Although psychedelics can also demotivate yogic practice because no amount of yoga will ever be as potent as 5-MeO-DMT.

Psychedelics did slow down my manual efforts. But the cost was worth it. Psychedelics give crucial understanding, insight, and experience that cannot be gotten any other way. Yoga cannot give you that depth and variety of understanding.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[cetus]

@Magnanimous Good topic! Good info.

[Magnanimous]

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