Contact with Universal Mind. First hand, direct experience ONLY

[theleelajoker]

Do or did you have experiences that align with this model of mind as Universal Mind compared to individual mind?

Focus is on noticing this in others, not within yourself during meditation, psychedelics, meditation, sensory deprivation, no-self. etc.

For example

• When interacting with other people, you had the feeling that you're not talking to the individual (IM) but the (UM)? 
• You had a strange feeling that the "entity" or "self" in front of you significantly changed during the course of your interaction? 
• You had conversations with people, talked deeply about spiritual topics but later those people don't remember what they said?
• Randomly people appear in your life and give you "strange" questions or "strange" information that was for you out of context? For instance, stranger looking almost like a homeless guy sits next to you in subway and after 1 minute gives you a lecture about metaphysics, AI and quantum mechanics?
• You received information that had very much the flavor of being information that guide your future behavior?
• You had conversations where the individual said things that fit the description of UM below? E.g. "it's big job to align and take care of all those individuals" or that it "life might seem chaotic for you not but for me"
• You had conversations where you received information that very much like someone is teaching you something fundamental about yourself and life?
• You experience strange body sensations, "goosebumps", energetic flows, or similar during a conversation, when certain words are spoken?
• Some words seemed to have a coded meaning, not only literal one. For instance, the person in front of you tells you how she teaches lessons to her horse ("I check the horses state of mind, it' mood and get a feeling if it's ready to receive and process a new lesson"). And you can't shake that feeling that it's not (only) about the horse - it's a description how you are taught lessons in life
• Some words, sentences carried a deeper significance felt deep down inside you?
• You can't say what or how, but SOMETHING was just a bit DIFFERENT in this conversation

I am ONLY interested in first hand, direct experience. No "he said, she said", no "teachers", no "gurus", no scripture.

 

PLEASE IF YOU CAN'T FOCUS ON DIRECT EXPERIENCE DON'T POST HERE.

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For simplification, here is a chatgpt summary of mind as described by John C Lilly. 

1. Individual Mind (Personal / Biological Levels)

The individual mind refers to levels of consciousness tied to a single organism, especially the human nervous system.

Key characteristics:

• Biologically grounded
• Operates through the brain, body, and sensory systems.
• Ego-structured
• Includes identity, memory, language, emotions, and personal history.
• Conditioned and limited
• Shaped by culture, learning, trauma, and neurophysiology.
• Instrumental intelligence
• Focused on survival, problem-solving, prediction, and control within the physical world.

Lilly often emphasized that the individual mind experiences itself as separate, localized, and bounded in space and time.

2. Universal Mind (Cosmic / Transpersonal Levels)

The universal mind refers to a level of intelligence not confined to any single organism.

Key characteristics:

• Non-local
• Not limited to a body, brain, or spatial location.
• Shared or collective
• Accessible in principle by all minds, though usually unconsciously.
• Underlying substrate of consciousness
• Individual minds are expressions, channels, or subsets of this larger field.
• Timeless and unbounded
• Not constrained by linear time or personal identity.

Lilly described the universal mind as the source from which individual minds arise and into which they can temporarily merge, especially in altered states (e.g., meditation, sensory deprivation, psychedelics).

Edited 22 hours ago by theleelajoker

[cetus]

46 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

(e.g., meditation, sensory deprivation, psychedelics).

Add "practicing no-self" to that list.

46 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Lilly described the universal mind as the source from which individual minds arise

I call it simply "source". A cornucopia or "wellspring" from which all things emerge. All questions cease and become redundant as everything is already known. Space and time vanish.

Edited 22 hours ago by cetus

[theleelajoker]

20 minutes ago, cetus said:

Add "practicing no-self" to that list.

I call it simply "source". A cornucopia or "wellspring" from which all things emerge. All questions cease and become redundant as everything is already known. Space and time vanish.

Hi, thanks for replying.  I expanded the list above. 

I notice a tendency in of "explaining" (especially telling others what reality is) and "intellectualizing" in this forum and want to avoid that in this thread. 

You did not do this - but can you go you please go deeper into the situations and experiences itself?

I am interested in descriptions and reports about the experience itself.

First person perspective: Why cease all questions? How you know this? What was happening? Is it 24/7 or just sometimes? If sometimes, how you notice it? How did it feel? How do you personally relate to it? What kind of information flows? Does it feel like guidance? How do you interpret it? Do you trust it 100% or do you question the guidance? Or is it not guidance for you? How do you approach talking to IM and UM at same time? What conclusions do you draw from these experiences?

No need to answer all questions, pick the one you like or other ones, but you get the direction. Exchange of subjective experiences, practical stuff, applicable in real everyday life. 

Edited 22 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Leo Gura]

Hindus called it Atman/Brahman.

[theleelajoker]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hindus called it Atman/Brahman.

@Leo Gura

Leo, I'm curios.

With all the information given by me before (see below) - what is it, that made you reply with the exact opposite of what I asked for?
 

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I notice a tendency in of "explaining" (especially telling others what reality is) and "intellectualizing" in this forum and want to avoid that in this thread. 

I am ONLY interested in first hand, direct experience. No "he said, she said", no "teachers", no "gurus", no scripture.

PLEASE IF YOU CAN'T FOCUS ON DIRECT EXPERIENCE DON'T POST HERE.

 

 

[Leo Gura]

Brahman doesn't always give Atman what Atman asked for. That would be too easy 

Edited 19 hours ago by Leo Gura

[theleelajoker]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Brahman doesn't always give Atman what Atman asked for. That would be too easy 

That made me laugh, thanks for that  

[cetus]

10 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

How you know this?

You just know without a doubt.

10 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Why cease all questions?

Because you are in the presents of infinite intelligence and have total confidence in it.

 

10 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

What was happening?

I was practicing "no-self" and it felt like consciousness became totally focused like a laser. I've never experienced anything like that before. Next thing I knew I was no longer in time and space. Almost as if I entered a portal or something. Sort of a trance like state that the whirling dervishes are said to enter. I'm trying to describe it the best I can using words. But afterwards I remember thinking "that was absolutely amazing". "Why am I just discovering this now?".

10 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

What kind of information flows? 

I didn't ask for information. I knew it knew and that was good enough.

 

10 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

What conclusions do you draw from these experiences?

With it being infinitely intelligent it has your back at all times. Even though from the perspective of the finite self it may not always seem to be the case in that moment within time and space.

Edited 11 hours ago by cetus

[Oppositionless]

It feels like I am alone in the infinite stillness consciousness and reality.
The past present and future already exist , consciousness is seeing  a limited version of the Absolute. The Absolute is consciousness and contains every possibility within it. There is only now , consciousness and the absolute.

Edited 4 hours ago by Oppositionless

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Are we including experiences of almost telepathy like ability? 

I occasionally feel a thought is not my own. In that, I could not trace it's origin. It just 'popped up'. Sometimes I can see where it originates from, like this direct experience example below. Other times, I just feel like the thought isn't mine....

Example - I am at home. I was mopping the floor with this new cleaner. I noticed it had no smell, and I recalled when someone at work cleaned an area at the hospital with metho (big no no). 3 firetrucks later and big fine to the business. I then looked up at the sprinklers at my apartment. Experienced a shiver of fear thinking, if there were ever a fire and I was out, I would probably kill myself trying to get to my dog. I then laughed at the thought of the sprinklers going off (for anyone that doesnt know, sprinkler water is fucking diabolical, black, stagnant fetid shit). And I imaged being covered in that satanic black fluid. In this thought pattern, I was only aware of fear of fire suddenly arising. Then a feeling of revulsion. I wasn't being mindful of the thought chain so the strange thoughts 'I don't want my dog to die'  seemed to just 'pop up'. But when I sat down and traced my thinking, I could clearly see why I suddenly felt fear/revulsion.

Contrast - I am shopping at the supermarket, being very mindful of my thoughts. I go to grab some mandarins and suddenly feel anxiety and think of an unkle being in hospital with cancer. I do not have an unkle. I try to trace back the thought. This time there is no linear nature to it. I move to the cashier to pay, and in front of me a woman is engaging in small talk with the cashier, then she says 'my unkle has just been diagnosed with cancer, I am going to pick him up from the hospital after this'

I have had this happen to me many, many times. Increasingly so when I begun a serious meditation / mindfulness practice. I do not feel I read others thoughts - It feels like, not all thoughts are my own. Like I am retrieving them sometimes.

Is there a reason for the thoughts I have, to have been mine at all? Is this just something we assume? Where and how am I 'retrieving' these thoughts? 

I constantly look for evidence that my thoughts are actually mine. And I am slowly trying to figure out what feels different about the thought when this situation shows up.

Anyway, I am not sure if this is what you describe. It happens to me many times a week now. Deeply personal. I have been called some bad things for sharing this. (⁠ʘ⁠言⁠ʘ⁠╬⁠)

[theleelajoker]

@Oppositionless @Oppositionless

 thanks

@Natasha Tori Maru

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Are we including experiences of almost telepathy like ability? 

Yes.

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Anyway, I am not sure if this is what you describe. It happens to me many times a week now. Deeply personal. I have been called some bad things for sharing this. (⁠ʘ⁠言⁠ʘ⁠╬⁠)

What is - in your opinion - the reason that others react in a negative way? Instead of this kind of communication to the benefit of oneself and others?

I have a hypothesis but curious about view first.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, theleelajoker said:

@Oppositionless @Oppositionless

 thanks

@Natasha Tori Maru

Yes.

What is - in your opinion - the reason that others react in a negative way? Instead of this kind of communication to the benefit of oneself and others?

I have a hypothesis but curious about view first.

I think it challenges the foundations of what we believe. But to be more specific - several of my close family members are born again Christians. They view what I describe as a foreign 'entity' that can only be demonic in origin: their basic assumption is that any message I receive from 'God' would be positive and I wouldn't lead to me questioning so much. There are also those who assume I am either 1) making shit up or 2) experiencing schizophrenia or the like.

I think it is a function of the materialist mindset: how can my brain be experiencing a thought from someone/where else? Thoughts come from the brain, for them... 

What is your theory? 

[theleelajoker]

48 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think it challenges the foundations of what we believe. But to be more specific - several of my close family members are born again Christians. They view what I describe as a foreign 'entity' that can only be demonic in origin: their basic assumption is that any message I receive from 'God' would be positive and I wouldn't lead to me questioning so much. There are also those who assume I am either 1) making shit up or 2) experiencing schizophrenia or the like.

I think it is a function of the materialist mindset: how can my brain be experiencing a thought from someone/where else? Thoughts come from the brain, for them... 

What is your theory? 

The same.

It threatens core believes we have been taught since... Decades? Centuries? It's not part of the current set of believes and assumptions that form identy, so ANYONE experiencing sth else is WRONG!

Identity as "that's who I am, that's how the world works" and changing that identity feels like dying in a (mental) sense, so I rather attack a threat than "die".

Even if I could greatly benefit from cooperating with such a source... but I need to be aware and conscious enough to realize, to feel that potential benefit. 

 

Edited 26 minutes ago by theleelajoker

[Carl-Richard]

I listened to a song once when I was in the most stressful state of my life many years ago, lying, stealing, doing drugs, etc. I think the song was "Low Life" by Death or something (or one of the other Death songs where he sings about "lies"). I felt like the song was about me, like every lyric was describing me exactly, talking to me, about me, broadcasting to me in real time.

Thing is, I was also a bit psychotic in that state, things were starting to become quite wonky. I specifically thought in that state "oh god, I'm turning into the guy who believes the radio is talking to him". That said, an expanded sense of identity need not be pathological. But it might be concominant with pathology, so it can be a sign to watch out for.

 

But maybe more related to your question, almost a year ago, I was putting up posters in the city advertising the study for my MSc. This lady comes up to me, starts talking to me about what is on the poster (which said "do you have smartphone and negative thoughts? Join a study at _"). She was like "smartphone? I've not had a smartphone since forever". She really started rambling a lot, but not incoherently.

I asked about how she manages to pay for shit without the mobile app for entering your bank ID in various places, and she had some elaborate answer which I won't bore you with, then she starts talking about how she has decided over time to live a more simpler life, not care too much about friends, simply taking time for herself.

And then as her talking came to a conclusion, she sort of ended on a lesson (which I can't quite remember, but I think it was about not working yourself to death or something), and she was like "remember that" with a sense of passion and sincerity in her eyes. The entire interaction felt like she was either a bit cuckoo or tapped into presence, and it felt like she was sent there in a weird way, like as if this interaction was orchestrated.

And of course, I spent that entire year working myself to death and I gained a noticeable amount of grey hairs.