Contact with Universal Mind. First hand, direct experience ONLY

[theleelajoker]

Do or did you have experiences that align with this model of mind as Universal Mind compared to individual mind?

Focus is on noticing this in others, not within yourself during meditation, psychedelics, meditation, sensory deprivation, no-self. etc.

For example

• When interacting with other people, you had the feeling that you're not talking to the individual (IM) but the (UM)? 
• You had a strange feeling that the "entity" or "self" in front of you significantly changed during the course of your interaction? 
• You had conversations with people, talked deeply about spiritual topics but later those people don't remember what they said?
• Randomly people appear in your life and give you "strange" questions or "strange" information that was for you out of context? For instance, stranger looking almost like a homeless guy sits next to you in subway and after 1 minute gives you a lecture about metaphysics, AI and quantum mechanics?
• You received information that had very much the flavor of being information that guide your future behavior?
• You had conversations where the individual said things that fit the description of UM below? E.g. "it's big job to align and take care of all those individuals" or that it "life might seem chaotic for you not but for me"
• You had conversations where you received information that very much like someone is teaching you something fundamental about yourself and life?
• You experience strange body sensations, "goosebumps", energetic flows, or similar during a conversation, when certain words are spoken?
• Some words seemed to have a coded meaning, not only literal one. For instance, the person in front of you tells you how she teaches lessons to her horse ("I check the horses state of mind, it' mood and get a feeling if it's ready to receive and process a new lesson"). And you can't shake that feeling that it's not (only) about the horse - it's a description how you are taught lessons in life
• Some words, sentences carried a deeper significance felt deep down inside you?
• You can't say what or how, but SOMETHING was just a bit DIFFERENT in this conversation

I am ONLY interested in first hand, direct experience. No "he said, she said", no "teachers", no "gurus", no scripture.

 

PLEASE IF YOU CAN'T FOCUS ON DIRECT EXPERIENCE DON'T POST HERE.

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For simplification, here is a chatgpt summary of mind as described by John C Lilly. 

1. Individual Mind (Personal / Biological Levels)

The individual mind refers to levels of consciousness tied to a single organism, especially the human nervous system.

Key characteristics:

• Biologically grounded
• Operates through the brain, body, and sensory systems.
• Ego-structured
• Includes identity, memory, language, emotions, and personal history.
• Conditioned and limited
• Shaped by culture, learning, trauma, and neurophysiology.
• Instrumental intelligence
• Focused on survival, problem-solving, prediction, and control within the physical world.

Lilly often emphasized that the individual mind experiences itself as separate, localized, and bounded in space and time.

2. Universal Mind (Cosmic / Transpersonal Levels)

The universal mind refers to a level of intelligence not confined to any single organism.

Key characteristics:

• Non-local
• Not limited to a body, brain, or spatial location.
• Shared or collective
• Accessible in principle by all minds, though usually unconsciously.
• Underlying substrate of consciousness
• Individual minds are expressions, channels, or subsets of this larger field.
• Timeless and unbounded
• Not constrained by linear time or personal identity.

Lilly described the universal mind as the source from which individual minds arise and into which they can temporarily merge, especially in altered states (e.g., meditation, sensory deprivation, psychedelics).

Edited 9 hours ago by theleelajoker

[cetus]

46 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

(e.g., meditation, sensory deprivation, psychedelics).

Add "practicing no-self" to that list.

46 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Lilly described the universal mind as the source from which individual minds arise

I call it simply "source". A cornucopia or "wellspring" from which all things emerge. All questions cease and become redundant as everything is already known. Space and time vanish.

Edited 9 hours ago by cetus

[theleelajoker]

20 minutes ago, cetus said:

Add "practicing no-self" to that list.

I call it simply "source". A cornucopia or "wellspring" from which all things emerge. All questions cease and become redundant as everything is already known. Space and time vanish.

Hi, thanks for replying.  I expanded the list above. 

I notice a tendency in of "explaining" (especially telling others what reality is) and "intellectualizing" in this forum and want to avoid that in this thread. 

You did not do this - but can you go you please go deeper into the situations and experiences itself?

I am interested in descriptions and reports about the experience itself.

First person perspective: Why cease all questions? How you know this? What was happening? Is it 24/7 or just sometimes? If sometimes, how you notice it? How did it feel? How do you personally relate to it? What kind of information flows? Does it feel like guidance? How do you interpret it? Do you trust it 100% or do you question the guidance? Or is it not guidance for you? How do you approach talking to IM and UM at same time? What conclusions do you draw from these experiences?

No need to answer all questions, pick the one you like or other ones, but you get the direction. Exchange of subjective experiences, practical stuff, applicable in real everyday life. 

Edited 9 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Leo Gura]

Hindus called it Atman/Brahman.

[theleelajoker]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hindus called it Atman/Brahman.

@Leo Gura

Leo, I'm curios.

With all the information given by me before (see below) - what is it, that made you reply with the exact opposite of what I asked for?
 

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I notice a tendency in of "explaining" (especially telling others what reality is) and "intellectualizing" in this forum and want to avoid that in this thread. 

I am ONLY interested in first hand, direct experience. No "he said, she said", no "teachers", no "gurus", no scripture.

PLEASE IF YOU CAN'T FOCUS ON DIRECT EXPERIENCE DON'T POST HERE.

 

 

[Leo Gura]

Brahman doesn't always give Atman what Atman asked for. That would be too easy 

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[theleelajoker]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Brahman doesn't always give Atman what Atman asked for. That would be too easy 

That made me laugh, thanks for that