Why Death?

[cetus]

Just now, Jannes said:

Well you have to hope you will get there safely and then integrate the experience safely. 

I could just have a horror trip without any insight. 

Do you realize that is an ego speaking?

[Jannes]

12 minutes ago, cetus said:

Do you realize that is an ego speaking?

Come on

[Dazgwny]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't assume you know what death is.

I’m not taking the piss here leo. This is genuine. I’d like you to give an honest opinion on what I say here if possible please. 
I remember being 4/5/6 years old or whatever lying in my bed, with my brother laying in a bed across the way next to me. We would chat, and chat away. To the point of imagine this and imagine that. Imagine I done this blah blah blah and vice versa. We’d just lie there chatting shit. I’d probably say 1987/88/89 type time. My question is now. Is it possible we lay there chatting so much, imagining so much, that we literally just went from one moment to the next, and imagined our whole lives from that point? As in just imagined shit so strongly that it actually became our reality? Or my reality? Because to be honest that seems quite plausible. Because if I’m there with absolutely nothing in front of me, then surely I can just imagine each and every next moment. I feel like I’m correct on this, and here I am. From your experience leo could you maybe tell me that this is the case. Obviously this now, would just be a continuing of this case. This is making serious sense to me. Like just going on and on and on

[Dazgwny]

Like as in I’m just creating reality on the fly? It’s difficult to explain exactly what I mean. But I know what I mean. I hope you know what I mean? It just seems so correct. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Dazgwny]

I don’t think there is a death. I just think I lay there and made it up. Genuinely. I can’t explain how much I feel I’m right on this. I just feel like I appeared, and what I am can not die. I don’t mean the person the human, I mean something different, the conciousness type thing. Like, I just can’t explain, even though I know what I’m mean. Is this making sense leo? I know I know what I’m on about here😂 but at the same time I know it must sound so much like bulkshit😂. Never mind ey👍🏻

[cetus]

48 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Come on

Forget about it.

BTW I wasn't talking about psychedelics if that's what you thought.

Edited 18 hours ago by cetus

[Dazgwny]

But not like in time, on and and on on. I don’t mean that. I mean like a spinning around. Like imagine a spinning shit, spinning around a localised point. At ludicrous speeds. It’s spinning so fast that it’s virtually impossible to stop. But it is actually possible to stop. Like a really clever knot, and you manage to undo it. Like unravel the knot. It seemed so tangled up, but then you just unravel it, to a single straight string type thing??. I feel I’m totally correct. Because when I’ve done that previously the entire universe just came to a stand still. It was the end of the universe. But then I just started it again somehow, almost like by accident. And got lost within it again. Am I right here leo?

[cetus]

@Dazgwny I think you'll like this.............

 

[Oppositionless]

Death is limitlessness , no one knows what that means  . 
 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Oppositionless

[LoneWonderer]

6 hours ago, Dazgwny said:

I don’t think there is a death. I just think I lay there and made it up. Genuinely. I can’t explain how much I feel I’m right on this. I just feel like I appeared, and what I am can not die.

When I was young 4-5 years old my brother and I where in a orphanage. I never knew my real parents or remembered them. One day at 4 years old talking with one of the teachers about how I came to be at that orphanage she told me I had been born to parents. 

I looked at her and told her "I wasn't born to anyone, I just came into existence all by myself!" At this she laughed and told me don't be silly of course you were born to parents we all are. That was the day a belief was planted in my mind that I was "Born" and that I shall "die".

I used to be really afraid of death. I no longer am. If you contemplate death long enough you realize it's an illusion. You can have direct insight into this being true.

Edited 13 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[No1Here2c]

@Leo Gura

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't assume you know what death is.

So I ask at what exact point does death occur?

What exactly is death?

Does death happen when I lose track of the body/mind/self?

Perhaps it is a moment when the last vestige or artifact of ego is stripped away?

Is death cessation of experience? Is it a lack of colors, sounds and feelings?

But is that even death or is that simply empty experience?

Edited 9 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

@Leo Gura

Inquiry on death quickly brings forth inquiry on self.

This is, it takes self for death to be possible and it takes death for self to be a truly effective illusion.

[No1Here2c]

I fear death may wipe this universe of many a unique perspective.

Edited 9 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Psychonaut]

12 hours ago, cetus said:

@Dazgwny I think you'll like this.............

 

I don't understand 

[Breakingthewall]

On 10/1/2026 at 5:21 AM, No1Here2c said:

Why do I have to dissappear forever?

Why must I be extinguished?

Snuffed out, as if to have never been at all.

Is it Death when you have completely lost control? Or is it Death when the body perishes?

 

Existence is relative movement, becoming. In absence of limitations there is not real movement, nothing arrives anywhere, then all movement is cyclical, ends in the start. 

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

@Leo Gura

So I ask at what exact point does death occur?

What exactly is death?

Does death happen when I lose track of the body/mind/self?

Perhaps it is a moment when the last vestige or artifact of ego is stripped away?

Is death cessation of experience? Is it a lack of colors, sounds and feelings?

But is that even death or is that simply empty experience?

I would say that death is the disintegration of this form, period. You might think: and then another form appears. But there is no "after." "After" is in this form. Reality simply continues being, in infinite forms.

The form that you are integrates into the totality; there is no self that perceives it because self and perception are attributes of this form.

Perhaps, or probably, another form with a similar energetic configuration, with a pattern that takes the current one as its basis, will begin, but "you" will not be there. You are a construct of this form, an apparent center that registers and identifies itself as disappearing into the total abyss. Hallelujah for that, right? Absolute freedom 

[Breakingthewall]

What we are in form cannot die. It is absolute being. It is outside of time and outside of becoming. It cannot be grasped by the mind, since the mind occurs within it. It is total limitlessness, and limitlessness is, because it has no limits, and you are exactly that.

It is total, and it is what we are in this very instant. Form is simply the inevitable consequence of limitlessness. There is always form changing , but the essence is always the same: you. You simply have to open yourself to it.

[cetus]

4 hours ago, Psychonaut said:

I don't understand 

I was giving an example to @Dazgwny 's statement "It's like an impossibly tangled knot that you manage to untangle"