What spiritual teachers actually teach Solipsism

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Reincarnation happens every moment you think a self-referential thought ("I/me/my" thoughts). Enlightenment eliminates self-referential thoughts. If the thoughts are eliminated, the string of thoughts preceding it are broken. What is reincarnation? A string of self-referential thoughts extending across lifetimes.

It sounds good, but is it really like that? For example, Ramana explained how he realized he couldn't die, in an experience he had when he was very young, but did he explain why he knew about reincarnation?

Anyway, a sardine He has no self-referential thought, and according to those who believe in reincarnation, it is an inferior state, which still has countless reincarnations left.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Human Mint said:

The problem is not that it is nonsense, the problem is that you are not actually grasping the significance of it  

It could just be nonsense, but the problem is you take it as the final answer without "respecting" the actual information that it trying to get to you. Weird phrasing, but I have read a few of your posts and that's your bottleneck. 

I don't understand what you mean. 

When it's said that you're imagining reality, that's exactly what it means: that a nighttime dream and waking reality are the same. That there's no difference between perception and dream creation.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

If you think you already understand what Ramana was conscious of and trying to convey, you're most likely not paying close attention.

What he tried to convey? For example? 

[UnbornTao]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

What he tried to convey? For example? 

Isn't it the case that we won't know until each of us gets there?

His expression can be dissected all you want, yet that is not the same endeavor as truly listening. Neither believing nor disbelieving are relevant here. The claims he made are secondary to the consciousness from which they arose.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't understand what you mean. 

When it's said that you're imagining reality, that's exactly what it means: that a nighttime dream and waking reality are the same. That there's no difference between perception and dream creation.

The full moon illuminates the road on a dark night.

It lights the way.

But it is a total illusion that the moon shines light as a source. It merely reflects the rays from the sun, while the sun is on the other side of the globe. The truth is to see through the illusion.

The paradox is, something so real, can be so unreal. Seeing through the illusion doesn’t negate the usefulness of the appearance, it merely acts to clarify it. Illusions aren't errors, they are more like interfaces, but problems can arise when you mistake the interface for the source.

We do not stand still and not walk the road because the light is reflected. The wisdom is to walk the road, knowing where the light comes from.

Edited 9 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AerisVahnEphelia]

On 1/8/2026 at 1:27 AM, UnbornTao said:

The truth is whatever the truth is. A belief system is a belief system.

Yes.

"Solipsism" is whatever your mind want it to be.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The full moon illuminates the road on a dark night.

It lights the way.

But it is a total illusion that the moon shines light as a source. It merely reflects the rays from the sun, while the sun is on the other side of the globe. The truth is to see through the illusion

There is no illusion or deception in what appears. Perceived forms exist. A nighttime dream is not the same as waking perception. The mind creates images from perceived images. There is internal and external reality. All this does not imply that limits are absolute; they are relative to another form, but they exist. To say that they are illusions is meaningless; it is not a correct definition; it leads not to understanding but to confusion. Limits are relative, not illusory. There is not a center creating illusions, there are infinite centers flowing in synchronicity. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

To say that they are illusions is meaningless; it is not a correct definition; it leads not to understanding but to confusion. 

That might be the case only in your worldview.

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Anyway, a sardine He has no self-referential thought, and according to those who believe in reincarnation, it is an inferior state, which still has countless reincarnations left.

When you ask people about reincarnation and how they know they have reincarnated, they will answer "I remember living at that place and that time". It's a thought about the past, of themselves seemingly living in the past. Therefore, the most epistemically parsimonious position is that reincarnation is simply when you can recall thoughts about what seems like yourself from a different life. Now, can you ask a sardine to recall and produce thoughts about any past lives? Perhaps not, but maybe you could ask a human about their past life as a sardine.

You can be agnostic about the metaphysical implications of past life claims without denying that the people may have legitimate 1st person experiences of memories of what seems like past lives. You can say it's not "them" in a past life but simply "a" past life they recalled. But then there are extraordinary past life claims that trace lives chronologically back thousands of years, no mentioning of random time jumps or somehow multiple lives from the same time. It would then be a better explanation that there is a kind of a metaphysical structure there, like a subtle body, persisting through biological death.

And this is already the case: your body is not the same body as 7 years ago. All the cells have been replaced, through controlled or circumstantial cell death, yet your experience persist, continuously through every cell death, from your first memories to today. When you're remembering your childhood as an adult, you're recalling memories from a different body. "But the overall structure is the same, it's the same creature, just gradually changing". Yes, there seems to be a kind of a "subtle" element that persists despite gradual biological change. And yes, it's just a funny example of how things persist despite biological change. Perhaps something persists despite complete biological structural annihilation as well.

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

And this is already the case: your body is not the same body as 7 years ago. All the cells have been replaced, through controlled or circumstantial cell death, yet your experience persist, continuously through every cell death, from your first memories to today. When you're remembering your childhood as an adult, you're recalling memories from a different body. "But the overall structure is the same, it's the same creature, just gradually changing". Yes, there seems to be a kind of a "subtle" element that persists despite gradual biological change. And yes, it's just a funny example of how things persist despite biological change. Perhaps something persists despite complete biological structural annihilation as well.

And then if we look deeper - what is actually behind the matter of the body? From molecules, to atoms, to electrons, to quarks - what is really at the base? Anything at all? No-thing at all. Emptiness...

Awareness/consciousness anchoring physical reality together as the only thing that persists. A physical life begins and ends. Emptiness unfolding with nothing but awareness present to witness the endless physical morphing we call 'growth'. Consciousness present. As always.

You bastard Carl, unleashing mind-worms 🖤

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

And then if we look deeper - what is actually behind the matter of the body? From molecules, to atoms, to electrons, to quarks - what is really at the base? Anything at all? No-thing at all. Emptiness...

Hell yeah. Unnamable, ungraspable.

Even word of emptiness is too much.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

19 minutes ago, James123 said:

Even word of emptiness is too much.

🎯 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

And then if we look deeper - what is actually behind the matter of the body? From molecules, to atoms, to electrons, to quarks - what is really at the base? Anything at all? No-thing at all. Emptiness...

Awareness/consciousness anchoring physical reality together as the only thing that persists. A physical life begins and ends. Emptiness unfolding with nothing but awareness present to witness the endless physical morphing we call 'growth'. Consciousness present. As always.

You bastard Carl, unleashing mind-worms 🖤

One of the realest questions you can ask is "where were you before you were born?", and the answer is not "in a past life" but in Infinity.

Although now I start questioning that answer, considering you could be floating in a subtle body somewhere, watching your moma's belly from above, and the crib that you will inhabit for the next few years.

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[VeganAwake]

There isn't a real problem to be solved or a secret to be revealed.

So the "apparent" problem is only the questioners beliefs 🤔

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

And this is already the case: your body is not the same body as 7 years ago. All the cells have been replaced, through controlled or circumstantial cell death, yet your experience persist, continuously through every cell death, from your first memories to today. When you're remembering your childhood as an adult, you're recalling memories from a different body. "But the overall structure is the same, it's the same creature, just gradually changing". Yes, there seems to be a kind of a "subtle" element that persists despite gradual biological change. And yes, it's just a funny example of how things persist despite biological change. Perhaps something persists despite complete biological structural annihilation as well.

A living being is not matter and energy, but rather the pattern that distributes matter and energy with absolute precision. This pattern is not located anywhere, nor can it be detected, it's just happening. But every quantum vibration of your body is in an exact location. The complexity of this goes beyond what our minds can conceive.

Life is not something that appears in the universe; it is a way in which the universe organizes itself. A living being is not a localized object, but a non-local, dynamic coherence that organizes matter and energy in time. Its reality is not substantial, but relational: it exists as a pattern, not as a thing. It's absolutely coherent with the whole and perfect, like anything else that exists 

Edited 12 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Isn't it the case that we won't know until each of us gets there?

His expression can be dissected all you want, yet that is not the same endeavor as truly listening. Neither believing nor disbelieving are relevant here. The claims he made are secondary to the consciousness from which they arose.

You mean that he was seductive, like you feel a holy aura looking and at him or listening him? maybe it doesn't mean what you think. 

Edited 8 minutes ago by Breakingthewall